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AMD 6800 & 6800 XT MBA LAUNCH AT 2PM TODAY - EXTREMELY LIMITED STOCK!

:( Sad day for me, most of my my GPUs have been sapphire. I had a r9 270 dualx, rx480 nitro, vega 64 nitro, 590 nitro for my second machine. They have all served me well, I am still running the vega 64 now.

I was planning on a 5800xt nitro, I was leaning towards it even more so because it seems to be the only 5800 that has more than 2 display ports. I have 2 1440 monitors and a valve index so wanted 3. But after seeing the prices and the shambles yesterday I started looking at alternatives. Managed to pick up a EVGA 3080 ftw3 for £780.
 
because its totally not worth it, very little difference, so comparing the best 6800xt has to offer against stock 3080, its a fair comparison

That's bonkers.

If you're comparing ref prices then you need to compare both. 3080 AIBs are also stupidly overpriced.
 
That's bonkers.

If you're comparing ref prices then you need to compare both. 3080 AIBs are also stupidly overpriced.

What people don't understand is if you want to maximise your time with these new cards and enjoy high FPS gaming, you have to be prepared to pay the premium for buying a graphics card during the middle of a Global Pandemic. If not then stick with your existing graphics card and adjust expectations.

I know someone who is selling 3 PS5s for £600 each and people are buying them!- the cost of lack of supply is raised prices.

Trouble is with the pandemic nobody really knows if prices will ever get back to MSRP - even after vaccine they need to have less people on production line so less productivity and less graphics cards made = prices stay high

Sorry for the rant
 
So AIBs are dragging their feet because of rubbish margins, so are not shipping anything and AMD is trying to pull an Nvidia.

Theory time. Cards are available but AIBs don't want to sell them with the terrible margins. They are trying to pressure AMD buy simply not shipping anything. The question is, when or if AMD folds, will the consumers be the ones to benefit, or will AIBs swallow the fat profits.
 
People saying PC gaming has got ridiculously expensive are I think missing the fact that paying £600+ for a new GPU is not the average PC gaming experience. The average PC gamer probably pays £1000 total for their PC, maybe £1500 tops.

I now have a £3000 PC but this is the first time I've bought or built a new PC in 10 years, and most of the reason I spent so much is for workstation use, not gaming. Before that I had been using the same PC for 10 years, with only the GPU changing occasionally, and never to the latest or best model.

My most recent gaming experience was re-playing The Witcher 3, heavily modded. I did so on that 10-year old PC, whose total value excluding GPU is probably now around £100. My GPU was the AMD Vega 64, for which I paid £280 (used stock, from the Bezos company). And even though I was playing at 4K and heavily modded, I still had a great experience - average FPS around 45.

I would argue that that kind of experience is more the average for PC gaming. People paying the price of an old used car for each component are the exception, not the norm. In the context of this thread, it's the upcoming X6700, X6600 and X6500 (if there is one?) GPUs that will define the market. Likewise the NVidia 3070, 3060, 3050Ti, or whatever models they have. That's what most people will have - GPUs which are maybe slightly faster than a console, but not by a huge amount.

It's only us crazy buggers who consider gaming and PC building a hobby that are able and willing to pay these prices, but that doesn't mean the market as a whole is this expensive.

I'd argue that PC gaming is in a great place, probably the healthiest it's been.
 
What people don't understand is if you want to maximise your time with these new cards and enjoy high FPS gaming, you have to be prepared to pay the premium for buying a graphics card during the middle of a Global Pandemic. If not then stick with your existing graphics card and adjust expectations.

I know someone who is selling 3 PS5s for £600 each and people are buying them!- the cost of lack of supply is raised prices.

Trouble is with the pandemic nobody really knows if prices will ever get back to MSRP - even after vaccine they need to have less people on production line so less productivity and less graphics cards made = prices stay high

Sorry for the rant

I know that , but the guy I was quoting was using the cheaper FE nvidia price and comparinging not with the ref AMD boards (which are cheaper) but a much more expensive AIB variant to try to prove a value point. You need to compare like for like, so he should compare a more expensive nvidia model or pick the ref AMD price.

edit: to make my stance clearer the MSRP of the AIBs is not the same as reference / FE
 
What people don't understand is if you want to maximise your time with these new cards and enjoy high FPS gaming, you have to be prepared to pay the premium for buying a graphics card during the middle of a Global Pandemic. If not then stick with your existing graphics card and adjust expectations.

I know someone who is selling 3 PS5s for £600 each and people are buying them!- the cost of lack of supply is raised prices.

Trouble is with the pandemic nobody really knows if prices will ever get back to MSRP - even after vaccine they need to have less people on production line so less productivity and less graphics cards made = prices stay high

Sorry for the rant

Totally agree!

I can't find stock. I'm so unlucky and still waiting for my cabbage patch kid to come into stock :)

I just turn shadows off and play at 4k 60fps :) or play some less GPU intensive games :)
 
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I know that , but the guy I was quoting was using the cheaper FE nvidia price and comparinging not with the ref AMD boards (which are cheaper) but a much more expensive AIB variant to try to prove a value point. You need to compare like for like, so he should compare a more expensive nvidia model or pick the ref AMD price.

I agree with you, sorry my statement was more a wider rant!

I think the public expectations of cheaper cards next year are sadly naive- why would AiBs reduce prices when they know the demand is there and people have already paid £150-200 over MSRP?

AMD have come out of this as the shining light and AiBs as money grabbing!
 
You could subscribe to Stadia and play Cyberpunk and many other titles!!! PC costs are becoming a bit daft in my eyes.

Stadia? Forget it!

£8.99 a month! What a joke and a rip off with no ray tracing.

You will be better off subscribe Geforce NOW for £4.99 a month to play Cyberpunk with RTX ray tracing enabled on Android, Iphone, iPad, Windows, Chromebook, MacOS or Nvidia Shield.
 
People saying PC gaming has got ridiculously expensive are I think missing the fact that paying £600+ for a new GPU is not the average PC gaming experience. The average PC gamer probably pays £1000 total for their PC, maybe £1500 tops.

I now have a £3000 PC but this is the first time I've bought or built a new PC in 10 years, and most of the reason I spent so much is for workstation use, not gaming. Before that I had been using the same PC for 10 years, with only the GPU changing occasionally, and never to the latest or best model.

Whilst I am the same in my approach to computers, the trouble at the moment, especially with GPUs, is that the older cards are still stupidly expensive. You have to go waaaay down the product stack to get anything at a sensible price to fit in with a £1,000-1,500 overall budget.
 
There is barely any difference between any of the models for performance, power use, temperature, noise. They are all almost the same. The only difference is therefore looks and brand.

We should be judging these cards from FE and reference.

3080 = £650.
6800XT = £599.

The card can be manufactured and sold with a small margin for those above prices. Anything above that is the AIB wanting more margin just because. That is flexible in my eyes, they don't have to take X% margin, there's no rule that says it has to be >X%.

Now in saying that, of course they can charge what they want to charge. If people buy it, then fine. Those people are clearly willing to pay a premium. It doesn't make the product worth more, you're paying for scarcity. I have no problem with that but people should not kid themselves on what it is they are actually paying for. Dont come here saying "oh no the AIBs can't make this for rrp" ... "they need more margin" ... "but they are not getting their 50% margin" blah blah. Realise what it is you're paying for and that you're willing to pay more to get it now. And say so, don't make excuses for your own behaviour.
 
There are some advantages of AiB cards- probably not worth £200

e.g Sapphire Nitro can overclock to 2.6ghz and boost to 2.3ghz (100mhz better than reference) this translates to 5-10% performance according to Hardware Unboxed review.

Meaning that the AiB cards match the performance of the stock 3080 better than the reference 6800xt
 
They say exactly the same negatives for the Nitro+

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-xt-nitro-plus/39.html



None of these cards are worth the £200 premium over the reference model. As I said before, the benchmark has been set with the reference model at £600. That is what I want.

Same with the 3080 FE. That is the price we should be paying.

Yes but there is no supply. Most of us won't get cards and those that do will pay well over the odds. With demand this high and stock this low, they could sell every card (all six of them) for £999.

I think the best thing most of us can do is just unplug, forget about it for a few months and be happy with what we have. Get hammered, move those advanced graphics sliders a notch to the left, *shudder* and hopefully in the morning you won't remember what you've done. Will you really notice medium shadows instead of ultra shadows?

Play all those games that you never finished. Replay the classics. Play Black Mesa. And we'll be rich!
 
Stadia? Forget it!

£8.99 a month! What a joke and a rip off with no ray tracing.

You will be better off subscribe Geforce NOW for £4.99 a month to play Cyberpunk with RTX ray tracing enabled on Android, Iphone, iPad, Windows, Chromebook, MacOS or Nvidia Shield.

I've been using Geforce Now (got a years sub for £29.99) using my work laptop when I`m meant to be erm, working and its like 720p gaming through a net curtain. Even when set to the best settings its really blurry when I go back onto my normal PC its so pin sharp and clear. I wouldnt ruing the Cyberpunk experience playing via Geforce Now.
 
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