This does actually worry me. Even if the official launch prices are great, the inevitable lack of supply coupled with the weak pound is probably gonna make them too expensive.
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AMD 8 core RYZEN price
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That's not just priced to sell it's priced to dominate. Not that I'm complaining, Intel deserve a kicking after half a decade of incremental upgrades
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All down to performance
That's not just priced to sell it's priced to dominate. Not that I'm complaining, Intel deserve a kicking after half a decade of incremental upgrades
What punishment is fitting for AMD then with there tardiness to compete especially at the top end in the same period?
It's hardly as though intel have been resting on their laurels in these years with a massive r+d spend (3rd largest spend globally in 2016 behind VW and Samsung)
http://www.talkandroid.com/307288-samsung-ranks-2-globally-in-rd-spending-in-2016/
Problem is some people have a bit of an entitlement complex where the think AMD 'must' sell them a octo core 6900k beating cpu for less than skylake main stream cpu prices (so circa £300).
They think it's all about them and haven't noticed that the focus hasn't been on high end consumer/ enthusiast desk tops for some time for at least two reasons....
1) mobile is where the growth and sales are not top end performance....
Intel (and others) have made massive advances here of late
2) the laws of physics seem to have capped cpu speeds at/under 5Ghz with current silicon based cpu's (whilst using conventional cooling methods). So we have been stuck with adding more cores (which shows quick diminishing returns as you go on for most consumer usage) or slow generational IPC improvements.
If Ryzen does perform as well as hoped it will effectively be catching up with Intel. Which is long overdue....
Some people seem to have treated Ryzen as the coming of the new messiah to rid us from Intel's tyranny! For people like me with two year old 6c12t haswell-e cpu's that cost under £300 at the time and which that which are hardly likely to rendered obsolete any time soon it's all rather bizarre.
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Nothing because AMDs lack of competitiveness was obviously not deliberate, they just went down a design path that turned out to be a mistake and it took them a while to double back and catch up with a new design (similar to Intel with the Pentium 4).
Intel on the other hand have been resting on their laurels for years, deliberately putting out "just enough" updates while constantly releasing new sockets/etc to extort as much money from consumers as possible. Hell the last non-incremental update we saw was Core2!
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What I'm wondering is if Intel could've done bigger performance updates than they have been if they needed/wanted to.
If that's the case, once AMD release a chip that looks to be able to compete will Intel just release a sizeable update that opens up another performance gap over the Ryzen stuff.
Would be quite annoying to buy Ryzen only for Intel to come out with a sizeable upgrade.
If that's the case, once AMD release a chip that looks to be able to compete will Intel just release a sizeable update that opens up another performance gap over the Ryzen stuff.
Would be quite annoying to buy Ryzen only for Intel to come out with a sizeable upgrade.
Er..... If you say so fella! All improvements are actually incremental by the actual definition of the word 'increasing or adding onto something that came before'. I think we have none the less seen some big generation on generation increases since the Core2 days!
You still don't seem to be able to account for why AMD at BEST are only able to claim to roughly be in the same ball park as intel after years in the doldrums with Ryzen. It even more baffiling to accuse Intel of resting on their laurels given there massive r + d spend... If intel release a HEDT skylake/kabylake cpu based on current AMD previews it looks like it would be slightly above Ryzen at the same speed (if tested at reduced clock rates that AMD have currently publically demonstrated Ryzen at.)
I suggest that this is down to simple physics - namely that the big performance increases of yesteryear are over due to them primarily being fuelled by the big increases that increased Mhz per core brought then the big gain going from single core to duo cores then onto quads...
As it appears that we have reached a fairly hard Mhz wall at circa 5Ghz under conventional cooling and with additional cores showing fairly rapid diminishing returns its hardly surprising that intel CPU's haven't shown big increases of late.
It's all a little bizarre applauding AMD for catching up with per core IPC at around where intel were three or so years ago. It great news if they are to become competitive at the high end again but the hyperbole on this forum of AMD selling 6900k beating chips for circa £300 inc is more than just a bit ridiculous.
R&D spend is only part of the equation.
They may have decided to drip feed the results of their R&D over many years, deliberately stalling the rate of progress. These are the kinds of things you can do if you have no competition. Queue your major innovations, and not rush them into production as soon as possible. Hold some back for future products (and greater profits).
8-pack was lauding the amount of research that (according to him) is targetting at the TIM. Yet people time and again report huge drops in temp from replacing it with something better.
R&D is great. (Although on that note, we've all read recently that the new CEO has cancelled a great many research projects and cut R&D spending). But R&D spend doesn't mean you aren't drip feeding consumers the smallest possible improvements each gen.
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DO NOT GET ON THE HYPE TRAIN. Just in case.
It'd be nice if this turns out to be excellent/beat Intel on boost/provide excellent performance/more cores for the cash than Intel...BUT right now we don't know and I'd rather not get my hope up and be disappointed (or find it to be way higher priced than we'd all expected if so)
It'd be nice if this turns out to be excellent/beat Intel on boost/provide excellent performance/more cores for the cash than Intel...BUT right now we don't know and I'd rather not get my hope up and be disappointed (or find it to be way higher priced than we'd all expected if so)
Massive delays bringing broadwell to market with a paper launch by and large for the desktop parts Skylake high end CPU's suffering from yield issues for months with very short supply.....
Hardly the hallmark's of a company 'holding back' on releasing products.
Even intel have to 'compete' with themselves... Releasing products that show marginal increases over the previous gen over and over isn't a recipe for big sales to existing customers
Hardly the hallmark's of a company 'holding back' on releasing products.
Even intel have to 'compete' with themselves... Releasing products that show marginal increases over the previous gen over and over isn't a recipe for big sales to existing customers
That's *not* what's been happening since Sandy Bridge, then? Could have sworn...
That's what HAS happened though which is kind of my point.... If intel have some mythical massively improved cpu's in the wings they could have released them sooner to sell to all the people who are on cpu's around the sandybridge era...they are already losing sales even without any external competition.
Ryzen may help a little on the pricing front but there is little reason to believe that some compentent external competition is suddenly going to make intel release cpu's with a massive performance uplift because as already stated this looks to be more a problem of physics then innovation with silicon based cpu's
well the new gossip is intel are doing a big redesign in 2020, maybe they would have gone for that sooner if pushed, over the last 5years most of their effort seems to be on mobile and high end server as thats where they saw rewards
