Don't care about cores or its power so much, I am hoping they have a less **** platform, one that is more scalable for the future, with these new NVMe SSDs and multi GPU Intels mainstream z170 etc seems like an already dead platform, no future scalability no bandwidth to handle all this relatively cheap gear, only a 40 lane chip from Intel can help at the mo, if AMDs cheaper stuff goes another way I'm in.
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That isn't porting either.
AMD headhunted NVIDIAS ex head of marketing, who upon Polaris' release said AMD were no longer going to be the budget option. Prices on Polaris were not spectacular and surprise surprise they did not win much market share.
SAME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ZEN. THEY NEVER LEARN.
SAME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ZEN. THEY NEVER LEARN.
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Have you got a link to back this up.
I'm not sure you know or understand what it is they need to learn. There are different ways to regain market share. Significantly undercutting competitors is one way to get people to buy now now now. Consistently making available to the market viable competitive products is another way without relying on heftly price undercutting, although it is slower. This requires consecutive delivery of good products, or well received products, to battle for buyer purchases quarter after quarter. Following up every good product launch with another compelling product next time, and the next, and so on.
That's where they have failed, regardless of the intermittent strong products they have released, or products that really come into their own several months later.
Its more sustainable and better then pricing themselves to bankruptcy as I take it you appear to be advocating.
As the principle designer of zen has left AMD (again) I'd strongly suggest they heavily undercut Intel in the first instance. Whilst Zen is shaping up well, there are few guarantees that their future product line ups will continue the trend IMHO.
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Keller has done that during his previous stint at AMD,the same with Apple,etc. His previous stint at AMD was really short(joined in 1998 and left in 1999),and AMD had many years of decent products:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keller_(engineer)
AMD had 5 to 6 good years of CPUs after he left,ie,the original Athlon,Athlon XP and Athlon 64.
Even the Phenom was constrained by a poor process node(which really impaired it and the TLB bug also was not helpful) and the Phenom II was OKish too,and it was only when the Intel Nehalem uarch based chips were released,that AMD started to really fall behind(at least in the desktop and server markets).
He was also only at Apple for a few years and they have produced ARM based chips which are amazing. He left over 4 years ago,and Apple still has some of the most advanced ARM cores out there.
Plus,AMD had 300 engineers alone working on Zen:
http://venturebeat.com/2016/12/13/amd-introduces-ryzen-brand-for-zen-based-desktop-processors/
He is not the only person who worked on the project.
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Interesting:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k011c/roman_hartung_aka_der8auer_comment_after_he_was/
The chap is really well known in the overclocking scene,was the chap which unlocked the RX460 and works for Caseking too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k011c/roman_hartung_aka_der8auer_comment_after_he_was/
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The chap is really well known in the overclocking scene,was the chap which unlocked the RX460 and works for Caseking too.
Err no? I'm advocating that they sell products for a price that would make the average consumer waive their desire to go with the better reputation ie Intel and go with their product instead, thus gaining reputation and funds for further RnD and more competitive products in the future.
Not rocket science.
As they say, 80% of something is better than 100% of f-all.
I think Ryzen may stand on it's own merits without a bargain basement price... but let's not get excited until retail chips are out there in the wild with price tags attached
I think Ryzen may stand on it's own merits without a bargain basement price... but let's not get excited until retail chips are out there in the wild with price tags attached
When the architect has done their job well, you don't need to pay them to continue hanging around whilst people lay bricks and wire up the electrics.
It's funny how rapidly some people retreat to their next defensive line when they appear wrong. Zen will be crap --- It isn't? Fine -- well future products will be crap.
You don't even pause to blink.
Everywhere I look I see really positive commentary about Zen. Even outside of specialist news sources. It seems to already be garnering a positive reputation. Furthermore, you seem under the impression that the target for Zen is semi-literate gamers who panic if wccftech post a bad headline. It isn't. Gamers are a nice to have. The real target of Zen (as evidenced by so much emphasis on power-performance) is the server market. And the server market work on cold, hard numbers. There's the odd little company where some sysadmin has too much say and goes with their gut based on some remembered impression, but basically they're businesses who care about their bottom line. A lot. If AMD produce a good chip, the reputation will follow. They don't need to price themselves into the dirt and nor should they. AMD need to make money. They wont do that by artificially tiny margins.
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Except that's not true, is it? From all the episodes of Grand Designs I've watched - which hardly makes me an expert, true - the architect continues to play a role during the construction phase, unless the design is really trivial.
What if this target price to appeal (not a guaranteed sale) to the average consumer is below cost, or too low a price to recoup R&D over the life of the product? What margin do they need on X sales at Y price in order to not make a loss over the whole project, how many chips are projected to be produced, at what yield and cost per unit (moving target). How much production capacity is even available and how many of these chips could they realistically even produce.
Unless you can ensure really high volume of sales (and ofc production), pricing lower than necessary could easily backfire. It also sets up a consumer perception problem, after supposedly sidestepping it, for the next product cycle if you then attempt to raise pricing after garnering some short term questionable reputation and goodwill from consumers/purchasers (based on pursuing sales and reputation through bargain pricing). And if your competitor with room to maneuver on pricing, with big pockets to carry them through the period etc, responds then that avenue is closed down or at least severely limited.
If the product is competitive enough, going for a smaller slice of high margin marketplace is arguably the better bet than aiming for a larger slice of a market with low margins. Particularly if your probably fairly supply constrained and also when your competitor is able to squeeze you down to a small slice of the low margin market with ease in a moment of commercial ruthlessness.
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never get posts like this.there is cpus available for quite a while that are 2/3 times as quick as what you have now from intel.
i do hope amd brings something good.just intel has had this kind of power about for a few years its like some dont even notice it.
Just because it is getting old doesn't mean it isn't adequate. Just admit you have the upgrade itch.
never get posts like this.there is cpus available for quite a while that are 2/3 times as quick as what you have now from intel.
Is that a serious comment?
Because there's nothing 2-3x as fast anywhere near the same price bracket; nor if considering single-threaded performance.
Perhaps you can tell me which CPU you had in mind, which gives you 2-3x the perf of a 3770k.
same price bracket? you have to be realistic.
i was just stating there are cpus 2/3 times as quick as a 3770k.
how much do you think a cpu is going to be that if it is the same as whats described ? it wont be as cheap as many think.
if you want the power like you say you will be paying for it.
i was just stating there are cpus 2/3 times as quick as a 3770k.
how much do you think a cpu is going to be that if it is the same as whats described ? it wont be as cheap as many think.
if you want the power like you say you will be paying for it.