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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

I am not a big fan of either chip maker but have found myself purchasing more Intel than Amd over the years. Even i am getting interested in what Bulldozer might bring to the table but for you real Amd fans out there you must be at fever pitch and patient too:)
 
amd said llano would have 10.5hrs battery life, over 2.5hrs more than intel that turned out to be a lie, its less power efficient than the quad sandy bridge and 10.5hrs was only achievable with 40% screen brightness which doesn't count.

So taking amd's word of 50% faster means nothing to me.

Would be nice if it was 50% faster as llano laptops are slow, over twice as slow in x264 encoding.

Anyway intel will probably have to give some nice cuts to core i3/i5 laptop and desktop cpu's as a result of llano and bulldozer which will be nice for everyone. They will have to give us better on-die graphics too now that amd's destroys the i5 2600k's built-in gpu.

I'm not hopeful about bulldozer's performance anymore having looked at llano and amd's own benchmarks.
 
Who runs an LCD or LED screen at 100% brightness anyway?

My iPhone, TV, laptop and three PC screens are all around the 50% mark.
 
Which lies?
Am not being pedantic am just not sure what your comparing too at the mo to say this? Do you mean anandtechs review? Compared to which AMD benchies?
Just wondering so I can take a look for myself.
 
most people run laptops at 70% or higher, 40% is hard to see and completely unrealistic.

regarding the lies amd produced a slide showing 10.5hrs battery life and intel having over 3.5hrs less but in benchmarks intel and amd are pretty much equal for battery life except the quad sandy which is better.

amd said in the build-up to llano release that it would be a similar speed to sandy's core i3/i5 but its way slower, multiple times when you compare x264 and mp3 encoding.

Battery life charts: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-llano-notebook-review-a-series-fusion-apu-a8-3500m/7
 
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Yeah I can see the chart there, but they do actually manage the 8 hours battery life, which is an achievement for AMD on its own. However yeah maybe 40% is a little off, but I think I'll wait until different hardware has been reviewed rather than just the one Notebook, then see what the general consensus is before making a decision or not.
However it still seems like a good leap forward for AMD on the mobile front compared to how they used to be. Plus if developers find a nice way of utilizing both parts of the chip for x264 encoding etc then that maybe will make a difference, whether this is possible or not though I havent a clue.
 
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amd said llano would have 10.5hrs battery life, over 2.5hrs more than intel that turned out to be a lie, its less power efficient than the quad sandy bridge and 10.5hrs was only achievable with 40% screen brightness which doesn't count.

So taking amd's word of 50% faster means nothing to me.

Would be nice if it was 50% faster as llano laptops are slow, over twice as slow in x264 encoding.

Anyway intel will probably have to give some nice cuts to core i3/i5 laptop and desktop cpu's as a result of llano and bulldozer which will be nice for everyone. They will have to give us better on-die graphics too now that amd's destroys the i5 2600k's built-in gpu.

I'm not hopeful about bulldozer's performance anymore having looked at llano and amd's own benchmarks.

Its less power efficient despite those Anandtech benchmarks showing they are higher, because the ACTUAL battery life was longer on the quad core, which HAD A BIGGER BATTERY.

THe relative battery life, IE minutes per Wh on the battery rating, 7.91 Idle for the Llano vs 6.63 for the Quad sandybridge.

So year, you're right, when you misread the benchmarks completely and ignore the fact that the quad core laptops came with much bigger capacity batteries, yes, you will come to the conclusion you did.

When you factor in size of the battery, the quad core Sandy is behind Llano in EVERY test, not always by a lot, though it is at Idle, but its certainly, unquestionably not less power efficient as you say.

This is all ignoring the really quite poor testing, Pcmark 7, its ruddy hard to benchmark these days and Anandtech are, lets say, firmly show their bias for Intel, frequently.


Llano wasn't ever supposed to be the best cpu ever, it was supposed to give you great all around performance, great battery life, gaming, and cheap prices, it does all of that.

if you want a professional Cad laptop with a top end CPU, why would you be looking at a Llano anyway. Gaming, Llano price wise literally destroys anything Intel have price/performance, everything IGP.

Then we could also mention newish Llano stuff is essentially late last gen Llano's, with Bulldozer version Llano's right on its tail it would seem.

Llano, for its intended purpose, is fantastic value, battery, gaming performance, out right cpu performance, no, how many people buy a $600 laptop for outright CPU performance......... not many people.
 
Drunkenmaster just hit the nail square on the head with that post. It does look a damn good chip for what it is made for. Thanks for the ballance DM, there is way too much mis-information being splashed about at the moment.
 
I am eager to see what bulldozer will be like, but then I want a system now, so im gonna go for a sandybridge set up and then see how bulldozer performs, if it slaps sb then ill sell my mobo and cpu and buy a bulldozer and am3+ board, job done :)
 
@drunkenmaster, i was talking about the internet usage graph not the idle graph. Why would idle time matter, people use their laptops. In which case the core i5 sandy is the best:

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the same thing with 720p h264 playback too.

My point is when in use the battery life is a little lower than intel's and when idle its only slightly better than intel not 3.5hrs+ that they suggest here:

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The laptops are apparently supposed to be around $100 less than intel's, if thats true then it would make for a decent speed low priced laptop but of course speed wise they just can't compete with sandy bridge cpu's.

459mins with 70% brightness screen and a normal sized 58whr battery = 7hrs 40mins not 10hrs 28mins and when you reduce brightness to 40% to get 10.5hrs intel's battery life would also increase so their 3.5hrs+ advantage is also wrong.
 
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@drunkenmaster, i was talking about the internet usage graph not the idle graph. Why would idle time matter, people use their laptops. In which case the core i5 sandy is the best:

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the same thing with 720p h264 playback too.

My point is when in use the battery life is a little lower than intel's and when idle its only slightly better than intel not 3.5hrs+ that they suggest here:

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The point made was that laptops have different size batteries.
The anandtech benchmark is very accurate at comparing competing laptops, but these laptops come with different battery sizes.

Put the same size battery in each laptop, and the llano with outlast sandybridge
 
not hopeful because amd lied about their performance, i'm sure bulldozer will be more lies.

I know this will probably be a big blow to you, but Father Christmas isn't real .... hope you don't feel too crushed.

All companies, including Intel & AMD, in the PC tech industry come up with some very creative indication-of-performance slides.
 
The point made was that laptops have different size batteries.
The anandtech benchmark is very accurate at comparing competing laptops, but these laptops come with different battery sizes.

Put the same size battery in each laptop, and the llano with outlast sandybridge

some of those graphs show performance per watt which shows the speed compared to the battery size. llano will outlast on idle slightly but will be slower when using the internet or watching hd video. most people use the internet on their laptops.
 
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