AMD Bulldozer Finally!

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 02:50

Yawn, so far from what I've seen Bulldozer is barely faster than Phenom 2 clock for clock, which is barely faster than q6600 clock for clock.

I think Bulldozer will be a fail CPU just like Phenom 1 and 2....and am willing to eat my words when it comes out and proves me otherwise.

pmc25 · 18 Jun 2011 at 02:58

gurusan said:
Yawn, so far from what I've seen Bulldozer is barely faster than Phenom 2 clock for clock, which is barely faster than q6600 clock for clock.

I think Bulldozer will be a fail CPU just like Phenom 1 and 2....and am willing to eat my words when it comes out and proves me otherwise.

The performance that the guy managed to extrapolate from the crippled B1 stepping samples looked in excess of either Sandy Bridge or Gulftown, significantly so ... B2 may be still faster. His predictions were so close to what they'd have to be if they are correct that it seems fairly certain he is right.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 03:09

Bulldozer is fail until contrary proof is provided, and theoretical extrapolations are not enough to prove otherwise.

linaaslt · 18 Jun 2011 at 08:31

gurusan said:
Yawn, so far from what I've seen Bulldozer is barely faster than Phenom 2 clock for clock, which is barely faster than q6600 clock for clock..

Go on bouy show me those benches where BD is barely faster than Phenom2, oh you just can't find them, surprise suprise, we still got no info about BD performance, and you're talking this crap. Good luck!
Go and troll somewhere els....

mjones1 · 18 Jun 2011 at 09:16

gurusan said:
Bulldozer is fail until contrary proof is provided, and theoretical extrapolations are not enough to prove otherwise.

Going by your logic everything is a fail until there is performance numbers, why bother waiting for 28nm graphics cards they might perform the same as the current ones. :rolleyes:

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:04

So all these threads and posts and still no sign of a retail chip and genuine benchmarks :confused:

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:10

stuartw_b said:
So all these threads and posts and still no sign of a retail chip and genuine benchmarks

yeh, AMD either know they have something really special so they are building up more hype, or they know its going to be an epic fail so i rushing away to make improvements to try and keep up with the hype. either way, i just think they would have been better releasing something, even if it was just the low end chips so that it gave people a reason not to just buy sandybridge. by the time they actually get a retail chip out most enthusiats will of gone to intel and their higher end, unless they are awesome, chips will just not sell.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:20

paradisiac said:
yeh, AMD either know they have something really special so they are building up more hype, or they know its going to be an epic fail so i rushing away to make improvements to try and keep up with the hype. either way, i just think they would have been better releasing something, even if it was just the low end chips so that it gave people a reason not to just buy sandybridge. by the time they actually get a retail chip out most enthusiats will of gone to intel and their higher end, unless they are awesome, chips will just not sell.

Contradicting logic in your post.

Anyone who is willing to go sandybridge / high end Intel would hardly going & buy a low end Bulldozer instead if available .

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:24

Final8y said:
Contradicting logic in your post.

Anyone who is willing to go high end Intel would hardly going & buy a low end Bulldozer instead if available .

no, but people like me that were undecdied, have decided to give up waiting and go for intel. but if AMD had released some low end chips, then it would give us something to compare again intels low end 1155s and give us hope AMD arent going to just keep delaying it until intel have got soo far ahead its pointless releasing anything.
IF however AMD released a cheap range of AM3+ chips, i would possibly consider buying an AM3+ mobo and cheap cpu to tide me over. but im not going to buy a new mobo only to find AMD pull BD or delay and delay my mobo is useless.
thats the point i was making, if AMD gave people something to go on, they might hangfire on going intel, im not saying they would buy the cheap range, but they might not buy anything until the higher end chips came out, therefore AMD would still have a market for these chips.

1kiwi · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:27

paradisiac said:
yeh, AMD either know they have something really special so they are building up more hype, or they know its going to be an epic fail so i rushing away to make improvements to try and keep up with the hype. either way, i just think they would have been better releasing something, even if it was just the low end chips so that it gave people a reason not to just buy sandybridge. by the time they actually get a retail chip out most enthusiats will of gone to intel and their higher end, unless they are awesome, chips will just not sell.

I have to agree with this. I think regardless of the performance I'll wait for Sandy Bridge E which I think is coming out around Q4, probably the same time as BD at this rate.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:37

paradisiac said:
no, but people like me that were undecdied, have decided to give up waiting and go for intel. but if AMD had released some low end chips, then it would give us something to compare again intels low end 1155s and give us hope AMD arent going to just keep delaying it until intel have got soo far ahead its pointless releasing anything.
IF however AMD released a cheap range of AM3+ chips, i would possibly consider buying an AM3+ mobo and cheap cpu to tide me over. but im not going to buy a new mobo only to find AMD pull BD or delay and delay my mobo is useless.
thats the point i was making, if AMD gave people something to go on, they might hangfire on going intel, im not saying they would buy the cheap range, but they might not buy anything until the higher end chips came out, therefore AMD would still have a market for these chips.

Then that's what your comment should have said & not what it did say.

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 10:40

Final8y said:
Then that's what your comment should have said & not what it did say.

then i appologise for not being clear.
i fear a lot of us will regret it and AMD will release one hell of a chip, but i think it will be a tad too late as im sure intel have covered their backs with ivy bridge. whether the skt1155 version will be better than BD, or whether you would still need to change for the skt2011 i dont know, if this is the case though, and AMD do release an awesome chip, then if its priced right people will then be in the position they should be in now, deciding whether to go AM3+ or skt2011.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 11:47

paradisiac said:
then i apologise for not being clear.
i fear a lot of us will regret it and AMD will release one hell of a chip, but i think it will be a tad too late as im sure intel have covered their backs with ivy bridge. whether the skt1155 version will be better than BD, or whether you would still need to change for the skt2011 i dont know, if this is the case though, and AMD do release an awesome chip, then if its priced right people will then be in the position they should be in now, deciding whether to go AM3+ or skt2011.

No need to apologise but just some people will always wait for the latest thing they hear about.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 11:58

paradisiac said:
yeh, AMD either know they have something really special so they are building up more hype, or they know its going to be an epic fail so i rushing away to make improvements to try and keep up with the hype. either way, i just think they would have been better releasing something, even if it was just the low end chips so that it gave people a reason not to just buy sandybridge. by the time they actually get a retail chip out most enthusiats will of gone to intel and their higher end, unless they are awesome, chips will just not sell.

if amd releases a low end BD and if most people want a high end BD, why would people waste money buying a low end BD.

tbh i don't mind the delay because it gives amd time to tweak it...

also not everybody will go to intel..... i won't because amd has better features for my needs..

also IF some people don't want to wait anymore thats up to them but if BD turns out to be better than people thought it's just hard look on them tbh.

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 12:13

gareth170 said:
if amd releases a low end BD and if most people want a high end BD, why would people waste money buying a low end BD.

tbh i don't mind the delay because it gives amd time to tweak it...

also not everybody will go to intel..... i won't because amd has better features for my needs..

also IF some people don't want to wait anymore thats up to them but if BD turns out to be better than people thought it's just hard look on them tbh.

but if AMD release a low end cpu that was say +/- 5% of intels low end SB chips, then it would give people hope that their higher end chips would be within the same boundaries, so worth waiting for. but as the release date keeps getting put back, without giving customers anything concrete to go on, it make it hard to trust that AMD will be getting anywhere near the figures people think they will.
that was all my point was, if AMD released something, then it would be something people could gauge future chips on.

EDIT : we used to sell quite a few sempron/athlon X2 builds at work because they were cheap, and most people around here want something for basic internet/office use. since the news of BD/AM3+ we have been getting less sales AMD wise and more intel. people lose confidence quickly in a company that keeps delaying and dont want to be stuck with old technology if they fork out £300+. if they were to release a starter AM3+ chip, there would be a need for people to have AM3+ mobos and would restore faith in AMD. this is from my experience and can appreciate it might not be an international feeling though.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 12:29

paradisiac said:
but if AMD release a low end cpu that was say +/- 5% of intels low end SB chips, then it would give people hope that their higher end chips would be within the same boundaries, so worth waiting for. but as the release date keeps getting put back, without giving customers anything concrete to go on, it make it hard to trust that AMD will be getting anywhere near the figures people think they will.
that was all my point was, if AMD released something, then it would be something people could gauge future chips on.

most people will wait for new tech and amd knows this...

why should amd release something that maybe isn't at it peak yet including the low end chips, maybe that why they are having to delay it, or would u prefer them to release something that only gives 90% of would it really can do.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 12:32

gareth170 said:
most people will wait for new tech and amd knows this...

why should amd release something that maybe isn't at it peak yet including the low end chips, maybe that why they are having to delay it, or would u prefer them to release something that only gives 90% of would it really can do.

Yes, they did until 3 month delay was announced.
BD's 6 years in the making, it's beyond a joke.
Hence why I'm rocking a Maximus IV Extreme at 4.8GHZ 2500k.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 12:36

Martini1991 said:
Yes, they did until 3 month delay was announced.
BD's 6 years in the making, it's beyond a joke.
Hence why I'm rocking a Maximus IV Extreme at 4.8GHZ 2500k.

has i said IF some people don't want to wait anymore thats up to them but if BD turns out to be better than people thought it's just hard look on them tbh.

simple as that

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 12:45

gareth170 said:
has i said IF some people don't want to wait anymore thats up to them but if BD turns out to be better than people thought it's just hard look on them tbh.

simple as that

Oh yeah, I'll be kicking myself if it's better, I already know it will be in multi threaded applications.
Real world, that remains to be seen.

But due to it being so long in the making, most people will go Intel, if BD's better, I doubt many will suddenly jump ship, though some will, however, that's all well and good until Intel overtake again, then AMD are back where they were.

They need to get the better product out first, not after.

gareth170 · 18 Jun 2011 at 13:02

Martini1991 said:
But due to it being so long in the making, most people will go Intel, if BD's better, I doubt many will suddenly jump ship, though some will, however, that's all well and good until Intel overtake again, then AMD are back where they were.

if its at good price people will buy even if intel releases a faster chip which would be more money.

it's like with the phenom II's some people still buy due to price......