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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

pmc25 said:
I know this will probably be a big blow to you, but Father Christmas isn't real .... hope you don't feel too crushed.

All companies, including Intel & AMD, in the PC tech industry come up with some very creative indication-of-performance slides.
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yep:( Which is why i don't trust amd's 50% faster trinity claim. 45-75days left till bulldozer now maybe a mod could update the thread title.
 
It does seems if you tax the IGP the Sandy Bridge laptops have much shorter battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-llano-notebook-review-a-series-fusion-apu-a8-3500m/7

"Rounding out the battery life discussion, we also tested battery life while looping 3DMark06 at native resolution (1366x768). This represents a reasonable 3D gaming scenario, and Llano still managed a reasonable 161 minutes. Considering graphics performance is a healthy step up from what Intel’s HD 3000 offers and that AMD manages double the battery life under gaming situations compared to the K53E, mobile gaming is clearly a win."

Anandtech retested the desktop A8 with faster RAM:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4448/amd-llano-desktop-performance-preview/3

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/amd/llano/review/desktop/ddr3scaling-16x10.png
 
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If anyone takes a company's "up to <this much> better" line as Gospel then they are really just kidding themselves.
We see it every time with launches, they'll find one obscure benchmark where the newer product is far better than the old or the rival and then they can put in the crazy numbers.

Really, they should say this. "Our new products, it'll always be swings and roundabouts."
Would confuse the internet hype machine though, we don't want that!

On the battery front, I frequently dim my display to 50% when dragging it out on battery. Unless I'm gaming or watching movies, it just makes sense.
 
i prefer not getting eyestrain. Mine is on 100% as the screen isn't the best quality, other laptops i use 80%. 40% is really hard to read.
 
Llano is great for what it is designed for, affordable, mainstream APU, so I sacrifice some CPU performance for much improved GPU performance. A fair trade for a number of peoples needs. If I want to encode x264 I won't be using my laptop, I have my main rig for that.

Besides which Llano is based on the Phenom core, not BD so any comparison is mute.

All manufacturers are creative with the performance of their products, I don't know why you are surprised that AMD are, Intel and everybody else are just the same.

Now back to Bulldozer speculation :)
 
Can someone please give me the lowdown on the new processors, what's known. I'm not really talking about performance just what Llano is and Bulldozer etc. please :)
 
Llano is just an Athlon II core (no L3 cache) with a great IGP. Even the dual core parts are quad-cores with two cores disabled, although they've said that later this year a dedicated dual-core version will be produced. Aimed at low-end desktops (office machines, etc.) and laptops.

Zambezi/Bulldozer is AMD's brand new architecture. No IGP but new Bulldozer "modules" with two integer cores and a 256-bit single floating point core (which can be essentially split into two 128-bit cores) and L3 cache. This is the one we know hardly anything about in terms of performance. Aimed at high-end desktops (basically anyone with a separate GPU, competing with i5/i7 Sandy Bridge).
 
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VaderDSL said:
Integrated 6550? on the llano though, ideal for a lo powered non gaming machine.
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i suppose for a media pc yeh would have its use. just seems like AMD are really missing the boat at the moment with all the delays. surely by the time these come out intel will be close to releasing their new batch, so AMD will in theory be 2 generations behind intel.
 
A8 3850 looks quite good value when compared to Athlon II X4 or i3 with comparable discreet graphics. Plus this is (IIRC) the top of the range llano, so lower models should be very good value :)
 
For the people earlier in the thread saying motherboard prices are too expensive a competitor is offering AM3+ motherboards from £40 :eek:
 
cheapest board i've seen with sata6gbps, usb3, hdmi, optical audio is around £75. Sandy bridge boards with these features start at £60.

Only a few manufacturers have their boards on sale or pre-order at the moment though, hopefully others with those features will be cheaper as its a little pricy.

The lowest priced AMD Llano desktop will be around £45-55 which is good value, about the same as pentium skt1155 which has integrated gpu, would be nice to see speed comparisons of those at the end of the month.
 
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mjones1 said:
Since it's a 700 series chipest compared to the more expensive brand new 900 chipest which the high end boards have.
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The 970 listings are only starting to appear now and the 980G seems to have not been launched yet. It seems only the higher 990X and 990FX have been available in small quantities.

The following motherboards are excellent value for money for the feature set they offer:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-349-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-176-MS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

You can get AM3+ compatible 870 and 880G based mATX and ATX motherboards with USB3.0 and SATA3.0 for around £60 to £70. They also have four RAM slots unlike the cheap ones which tend to only use two.

clocka said:
cheapest board i've seen with sata6gbps, usb3, hdmi, optical audio is around £75. Sandy bridge boards with these features start at £60.

Only a few manufacturers have their boards on sale or pre-order at the moment though, hopefully others with those features will be cheaper as its a little pricy.

The lowest priced AMD Llano desktop will be around £45-55 which is good value, about the same as pentium skt1155 which has integrated gpu, would be nice to see speed comparisons of those at the end of the month.
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That is for the MSI H67MA-E35 which has only two RAM slots. The AM3 MSI 880GMA-E35 had six SATA 3.0 ports and USB3.0 and was around the same price and the MSI 880GMS-E35 which had only six SATA3.0 ports was well under £60. Both motherboards were made EOL recently it seems as AM3+ and FM1 versions are probably being released. The AM3+ version of the MSI 880GMA-E45 is around £70 which is around the same price as the H67 version. Both have 4 RAM slots.
 
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