AMD Bulldozer Finally!

clocka · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:02

Martini1991 said:
I know the price, as do many people, we've seen legit listings, pre-orders were taken on Friday.

those were the high-end llano cpu's. the lower end ones E2-3250 and A4-3350 weren't listed on the competitors site. the price in $ has already been announced, their E2-3250 should be £45-55 which competes with Pentium G620 price wise.

Zuban · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:02

i think from looking at those benchmarks that amd price and place there cpu's in terms of competitiveness based on the multithreaded performance, which is fine if like me you predominatly use properly multithreaded applications for the most part. but i think they need to realise that single threaded performance is still very important and i cant see that changing for a while.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:10

Zuban said:
i think from looking at those benchmarks that amd price and place there cpu's in terms of competitiveness based on the multithreaded performance, which is fine if like me you predominatly use properly multithreaded applications for the most part. but i think they need to realise that single threaded performance is still very important and i cant see that changing for a while.

And how many threads do multiple single threaded applications running at once use ?

And how many CPU intensive singled thread applications does the average user use today & how many of the average users care about the time it takes & are willing to pay more for it.

gurusan · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:12

Final8y said:
And how many threads do multiple single threaded applications running at once use ?

And how many CPU intensive singled thread applications does the average user use today & how many of the average users care about the time it takes & are willing to pay more for it.

I'd say around 2-3

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:12

clocka said:
those were the high-end llano cpu's. the lower end ones E2-3250 and A4-3350 weren't listed on the competitors site. the price in $ has already been announced, their E2-3250 should be £45-55 which competes with Pentium G620 price wise.

Competiting price wise means nothing if the performance isn't there.

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:14

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:20

gurusan said:
I'd say around 2-3

If that is 2 out of 3 then that's false because there is a actually a difference between wanting & actually buying & the majority buy rubbish from OEMs.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:21

Martini1991 said:
Competiting price wise means nothing if the performance isn't there.

Yep,considering the Intel Pentium processors have a IGP which is worse in performance and media duties than what the Llano CPUs have(still afflicted by the 23.976 fps bug).

The CPU portion of the Llano CPUs maybe weaker but then the GPU section is better which is great for the intended audience not the whiners on forums who will never buy them ever. On top of this you cannot even overclock the lower end Pentium processors anymore. You might as well get a G6950.

I own a Core i3 2100 myself even but I am not so blinkered to the shortcomings of the current Intel low end CPUs.

clocka · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:22

Martini1991 said:
Competiting price wise means nothing if the performance isn't there.

gpu performance will be there which quite a number of people find very important and its also better than intel for playing back video such as 23.976fps which intel can't do still.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:23

It's a CPU, I could care less about its IGP performance, I expect Trinity to be a fresh of breath air in that area however.
But I want AMD to have CPU performance. Currently, they do not.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:24

clocka said:
gpu performance will be there which quite a number of people find very important and its also better than intel for playing back video such as 23.976fps which intel can't do still.

For it's intended market, yeah they're brilliant, and I'm working with a Llano set up come launch, for the IGP too, as it's faster than a DDR2 4650.

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:24

Martini1991 said:
It's a CPU, I could care less about its IGP performance, I expect Trinity to be a fresh of breath air in that area however.
But I want AMD to have CPU performance. Currently, they do not.

but AMD are not making a cpu soley for YOU!!!! the Llano chips will be ideal for small media pcs if they have decent IGP capabilities. not everyone games 24/7

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:26

paradisiac said:
but AMD are not making a cpu soley for YOU!!!! the Llano chips will be ideal for small media pcs if they have decent IGP capabilities. not everyone games 24/7

I know......... :rolleyes:

Llano would make for a perfectly passively cooled computer.

Final8y · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:27

paradisiac said:
but AMD are not making a cpu soley for YOU!!!! the Llano chips will be ideal for small media pcs if they have decent IGP capabilities. not everyone games 24/7

Its called the universe revolves around me syndrome & its gaming performance is still better.

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:29

Final8y said:
Its called the universe revolves around me syndrome.

it doesnt help when people like me are clueless on AMDs new chips, when someone bangs on about compairing it against a cpu that its not even competing against fully as it has more to benefit in areas the other one suffers.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:30

Final8y said:
Its called the universe revolves around me syndrome & its gaming performance is still better.

Erm nope, I know exactly what it's for.
But it's priced at the same price as a 2120, for the higher end Llano.

paradisiac said:
it doesnt help when people like me are clueless on AMDs new chips, when someone bangs on about compairing it against a cpu that its not even competing against fully as it has more to benefit in areas the other one suffers.

It's not upto me, or anyone else to tell you how a CPU is performs.
As it stands, the highest end Llano is more expensive than the 2120.

The IGP on Llano is better by quite a bit.
But the actual CPU part isn't.

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:31

Woops

paradisiac · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:33

Martini1991 said:
It's not upto me, or anyone else to tell you how a CPU is performs.
As it stands, the highest end Llano is more expensive than the 2120.

The IGP on Llano is better by quite a bit.
But the actual CPU part isn't.

but the cpu side is not trying to compete with the 2120 as its main aim surely is to have decent onboard gfx capabilities, which the 2120 apparently doesnt. so how much would you have to spend with your beloved intel to get a decent setup with good onboard gfx for a media rig compaired to a Llano build?

Martini1991 · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:36

paradisiac said:
but the cpu side is not trying to compete with the 2120 as its main aim surely is to have decent onboard gfx capabilities, which the 2120 apparently doesnt. so how much would you have to spend with your beloved intel to get a decent setup with good onboard gfx for a media rig compaired to a Llano build?

You really just said that?

I tend to always go AMD, every system I build for people is AMD, minus high end ones.

I appreciate Llano, but I'm eager for CPU performance.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 18 Jun 2011 at 22:36

Martini1991 said:
It's not upto me, or anyone else to tell you how a CPU is performs.
As it stands, the highest end Llano is more expensive than the 2120.

The IGP on Llano is better by quite a bit.
But the actual CPU part isn't.

The Core i3 2120 is actually the same price on that website. The i3 2105 which has an HD3000 series IGP looks like it will around the same price too.

The HD2000 IGP is still not that great as I tried it on my Core i3 2100. The Llano A8 still has better performance in many multi-threaded applications and can be overclocked too.