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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

RizlaKing said:
With AMD's past i am not so sure no news is bad news they like to keep things close to their chest and may well be keeping quiet so as not to give Intel a chance to alter ivybridge or it could be that BD is not what was hoped for. I agree that lack of info is off putting but i am not prepared to put my cards on the table just yet and will give it some more time way i look at it the longer i leave it the more money i will have when i do finally make my choice :).
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Everything has a weakness & even if it is faster its better to keep this close to your chest so that the competitions massively funded propaganda & marketing machine has less time to work on the weaknesses.

Up until NV had there Femi cards out NV was hitting out with the 5xxx don't do PhysX, as soon as the facts were on the table with the availability of the Femi then they switch to a weakness that could actually matter= Tessellation.
 
some funny amd defending here hehehe
fact is, that every business doing so called propaganda, which is typical product advert, and in IT not do that is very foolish
either amd have more problems,or they so called “intel killer“ not working as expected, simple, and it has nothing to do with keeping cards close to your chest, unless of course you want to sell just few % of that BD, and again have major losses
Sandy is superb, clocks like no other chip before, im just tired of amd promises and got Sandy,and i will be very surprised if amd release BD in few months
 
Final8y said:
Which just proves that AMDs CPU don't need to be on top to be a success as they have not been on top for SEVERAL years & there is nothing special about this year that they need to be on top, all that matters is the price.
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C2D/C2Q beat AMD on bang for buck
i5 beat AMD on bang for buck

Question is will SB do the same yet again?
 
Mario said:
some funny amd defending here hehehe
fact is, that every business doing so called propaganda, which is typical product advert, and in IT not do that is very foolish
either amd have more problems,or they so called “intel killer“ not working as expected, simple, and it has nothing to do with keeping cards close to your chest, unless of course you want to sell just few % of that BD, and again have major losses
Sandy is superb, clocks like no other chip before, im just tired of amd promises and got Sandy,and i will be very surprised if amd release BD in few months
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No one said anything about not doing propaganda & that it should not happened like you imply, get your facts straight.

The fact is that propaganda happens & you protect against it as much as you can like i have already said be it the BD is better or not you try to lesson the blow.

I personally don't care at all if the BD is better or not than Intel's i only care that its significantly better than what i all ready have.
 
Final8y said:
Again just for you i don't care if its better than SB, i only care that its a leap over what i already have.
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That is ultimate "fanboyism" though, as you discount Intel simply due to being Intel

You should care if it's the best setup for the price, rather than if it's simply the best AMD setup.
 
rypt said:
That is ultimate "fanboyism" though, as you discount Intel simply due to being Intel

You should care if it's the best setup for the price, rather than if it's simply the best AMD setup.
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I see there is a habit today with people putting words into my mouth based on there purely simple black & white absolute thought process.

Now show me the quote where i said that.
 
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Because you said you aren't comparing it with SB, even though SB is ahead of what you already have ... which means that it needs to beat SB/IB on the price/performance metric in order to be something that people consider
 
rypt said:
Because you said you aren't comparing it with SB, even though SB is ahead of what you already have ... which means that it needs to beat SB/IB on the price/performance metric in order to be something that people consider
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There is a difference to comparing & caring & this goes far deeper than the typical juvenile view of the fastest is all that matters when there is vast array of other factors that need to be taken into account depending on the individuals needs.

Some peoples needs are simple & others are complex.
 
If CPU/Socket combo A performs better on the price/performance metric than CPU/Socket combo B ... why would you get B instead of A?
 
rypt said:
If CPU/Socket combo A performs better on the price/performance metric than CPU/Socket combo B ... why would you get B instead of A?
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Yep & you just confirmed my point is that you don't take into account the other differences besides CPU speed & the price when there are a vast amount of features to be taken into account & just because your needs don't extend past the speed of the CPU don't assume that goes for everyone else.
 
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I did say CPU/SOCKET combination, which takes into accounts the chipset abilities

Intel boards can do the same as AMD boards as far as everything else goes anyway


So I ask you again, name me what feature you need from an AMD setup that an Intel setup cannot offer?
 
rypt said:
I did say CPU/SOCKET combination, which takes into accounts the chipset abilities

Intel boards can do the same as AMD boards as far as everything else goes anyway


So I ask you again, name me what feature you need from an AMD setup that an Intel setup cannot offer?
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You are wrong on a vast scale.
AMD mobs can offer features that an Intel mobo would cost twice as much with the same features.
 
SATA ports that work? :) I jest

Some cheaper AMD boards have features you pay a premium for on Intel equivalents. Audio outputs, PCIe lanes, built in HDMI etc. More importantly, cost v performance

We all know AMD haven't got the fastest CPUs. If you do nothing but watch benchmarks for fun then Intel is the clear winner
 
He has a pair of 5970s, so he doesn't need built in GFX
He has an X-Fi so doesn't even need built in audio

And I have already said the only thing that matters is cost/performance ... if you bothered reading my posts.
 
Final8y said:
Again you put words into my mouth as i didn't say that Intel boards do not have them, i said you will pay more for an Intel board with those features.
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NAME ME what FEATURES it is that you NEED that you pay EXTRA for on an Intel board?

I can't think of any of the top of my head
 
rypt said:
NAME ME what FEATURES it is that you NEED that you pay EXTRA for on an Intel board?

I can't think of any of the top of my head
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So everything has to be based on what you know or it does not exist ?.

There are features on AMD boards that help with virtualization server & networking that cost twice as much for an Intel board with the same features.


Also can you please find me a 6 core Intel with fully unlocked multi for £200.
 
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