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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Think he's referring to AMD V

AMD Virtualization (AMD-V™) Technology is a set of hardware extensions to the x86 system architecture that allows you to better utilize your resources, which make your servers, clients, and datacenters more effective.

Powering ultrathin notebooks to blade servers, all AMD processors shipped are designed to use AMD-V™ features.

AMD-V™ is designed to help simplify virtualization solutions, enabling
a more satisfying user experience and near native application performance.

AMD-V technology includes features such as:

FEATURES

BENEFITS

Virtualization extensions to the x86 instruction set

Enables software to more efficiently create virtual machines so that multiple operating systems and their applications can run simultaneously on the same computer.

Tagged TLB

Hardware features that facilitate efficient switching between virtual machines for better application responsiveness.

Rapid Virtualization Indexing (RVI)

Helps accelerate the performance of many virtualized applications by enabling hardware-based virtual machine memory management.

AMD-V™ Extended Migration

Hardware feature that helps virtualization software enable live migration of virtual machines between all available AMD Opteron™ processor generations.

I/O Virtualization

Enables direct device access by a virtual machine, bypassing the hypervisor for improved application performance and improved isolation of virtual machines for increased integrity and security.
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Virtualisation features are gimped on cheaper end Intel CPUs/Chipsets to create artificial market segmentation.

Useful in the real world if you need to run multiple VMs in a production environment
 
I went with an AMD quad core cpu late 09 rather than an intel because the core 2 quads that were within budget didnt have the same virtualisation features.

Intel has (or at least had) a very confusing line up when you start to look at some of the lesser known features which some chips in the same product line supporting certain VT extensions and others not.

AMD chips certainly have their faults but at least the chips all support the same features within a series. Although the recent "Phenom" chip which is actually an Athlon II may mark the start of a slippery slope in to the marketing muddle that cpu lines can sometimes become.

As for all the no news is bad news arguements put it this way how cheesed off would OEMs be if AMD started to say they had a mega new super fast cpu that beats everything on the market now etc .... but it's not coming out for 3-4 months, think about how many sales that could cost?
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
ohh, what features are there to help with virtualisation?
That sounds interesting, will it be built into the amd 800 am3+ chipset?
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If i can find my friends post on XS i will post them.

Most of the Intel boards had none or one or the other feature but not both without a doubling in price on the Intel mobo most people don't know about them because most people don't need them but its a surprise to find such features on mid rage mobo from AMD but you need a mobo X2 the cost on intel.

My mobo needs are features at a price & the amount of x16 PCIE/PCI slots with the correct specific spacing, the amount of Raidable Sata ports & Unlocked multi CPUs all at good prices & there are loads of AMD mobos & unlocked CPUs that have ticked that box.

I have not seen SB mobo that has the spacing i need without silly prices & neither have a seen Intel 6 core a price i'm willing to pay & im also not going to take the risk of having CF problems that are due to mobo compatibility issues which i have never had with AMD setups.
 
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shaffaaf27 said:
while i ahree with what you say fin, that fact that you are looking for a cheap cpu when you can afford to buy nearly 2k in graphics cards is a bit friveruos
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LOL! my 3 screens cost more than that.

The reason simple, there was no cheaper equivalent 5970s at the time with 2GB per GPU.

Tri fire is a minimum, there are no single slot 5870 2 GB cards which would have been the alternative, so 2 5970s 4GB was the next best thing.

I will pay more money when i have no choice.
 
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shaffaaf27 said:
ahh fair enough haha. Damn 3 screns aswell. Different league to me :p
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NEC screens. 20" 30" 20"
Yes i could have done it cheaper with Dell's but i didn't want to play the lottery with what panels i would be getting.
 
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I think people also forget Intel and AMD really are not equal company wise you look at the resources Intel has if they release a product that flops it don't matter they will have something already in the works but AMD it's a big deal they can't afford to have that happen this is why I don't think in cpu/graphics card they care about being the top dog performance wise.
 
though this is bulldozer thread oh it is , though im in monitor section for a second , is there any more news on it seems amd pretty quite about something fishy.
 
3vil Tom said:
I have to agree with what everyone is saying, if it was good news they would be shouting it loud. The quiet can only be a bad thing.
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Well, if the channels are filled with current products today, shouting really loud stalls sales. And OEMs don't like that. Especially if they aren't shipping SB.

There is no scenario where being really loud about upcoming products makes you more money. The louder you shout, the more you stall sales.
 
so how about I ask you this then, since its not really breaking any NDA or anything. I am going to be doing a total rebuild shortly, should I wait for Bulldozer...? :confused: as far as I would see it, its giving advice based on something you know and I don't, but its not really revealing anything about the upcoming product...! ;)
 
JF-AMD said:
Well, if the channels are filled with current products today, shouting really loud stalls sales. And OEMs don't like that. Especially if they aren't shipping SB.

There is no scenario where being really loud about upcoming products makes you more money. The louder you shout, the more you stall sales.
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OEMs can ship SB just fine, how many OEM solutions use more than 2 hdds? :)
 
Mr AMD, seems like you need to go and brush your marketing/sales knowledge a bit...

It's been known for years, that if you don't get others to talk about your product (BD) your are going to have poor sales, simply because the demenad, and the need for the product is going to be smaller.
If AMD was so sure about their chip being so great, they would want everyone within PC community to talk about it... sitting and waiting, hoping to get their hand on it asap.

Don't get me wrong, I am not intel fan, if anything I actually prefere AMD... I loved... love my Athlon 1700+ which was going for ages @2.2Ghz stable clock, it even now is doing just fine with 1.8GHz (shame it's degraded that much, but hey - this chip is OOOOLD)

I would love to see BD kicking SB and competing with IB simply because more people would switch to AMD giving you guys a morale boost ;) to keep working hard to get more market share from intel.

It just simply seems that BD isn't going be to great in my opinion and by keeping quiet AMD doesnt help itself to promote it.
 
qbazdz said:
It's been known for years, that if you don't get others to talk about your product (BD) your are going to have poor sales, simply because the demenad, and the need for the product is going to be smaller.
If AMD was so sure about their chip being so great, they would want everyone within PC community to talk about it... sitting and waiting, hoping to get their hand on it asap.
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This is only true if said product is shipping. If you're trying to sell an existing product then talking about a forthcoming product will only leave you with stock you can't sell.
 
I have been waiting for Bulldozer for a while now, not to buy one (unless they are better than even AMD predicts ***), but to see the effect on SB prices. B3 boards are out now, but at quite a premium, so we need BD soon to stop Intel keeping SB prices "artificially" high too.

Intel have made some major advances recently, and AMD can't afford to be more than one step behind. The current "one horse race" favours only Intel, at the expense of the consumer.


*** I don't think AMD are trying to beat SB, but they do need to be reasonably close. Plenty of people buy Vauxhalls even though they are slower than Ferraris, but wouldn't if they had the performance of a Morris Minor.
 
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