AMD Bulldozer Finally!

[manveruppd]

Rumoured huh? No confirmation from anywhere else I take it? If it's 4 more weeks I'm very tempted to wait, but we don't really know for sure yet and the uncertainty is killing me.

 

[Martini1991]

Rumoured huh? No confirmation from anywhere else I take it? If it's 4 more weeks I'm very tempted to wait, but we don't really know for sure yet and the uncertainty is killing me.

I don't think you'll ever really get confirmation as such.

 

[SheepBeast]

Its of no interest (at least it is of no relevance) to consumers in general.

how about you speak for yourself? if it doesn't interest you, fine. but don't claim that it doesn't interest the rest of us - have you conducted a survey to prove this? didn't think so.

 

[Helios1234]

how about you speak for yourself? if it doesn't interest you, fine. but don't claim that it doesn't interest the rest of us - have you conducted a survey to prove this? didn't think so.

Huh?! He has a point. Do you think some randomer on the street looking to buy a PC will know what BD is or what it can overclock to? The fact that you are on this forum suggests you aren't the typical consumer he's talking about.

 

[manveruppd]

Can you people stop replying to the "lol 8.5GHz so what?" crowd? It makes putting them on /ignore pointless if you lot are all quoting their posts!

 

[wannabedamned]

Huh?! He has a point. Do you think some randomer on the street looking to buy a PC will know what BD is or what it can overclock to? The fact that you are on this forum suggests you aren't the typical consumer he's talking about.

Indeed he does have a point about general consumers. but the liquid helium tests are just enthusiasts playing, hitting records. Its being talked about on a forum with enthusiasts, and its being discussed all around the web... generally on enthusiast forums. So just because he's not planning on overclocking to 8ghz himself, and just because general consumers wont. It doesnt stop the people who do care, the enthusiasts being interested.

When people come on here, screaming OMG SHUT UP ABOUT THE WORLD RECORD ITS AN ELEPHANT!

What he needs to do is think, Hmm I dont care about this record, and i dont see its relevance. So i'll just shut the hell up and let the people discussing it carry on.

 

[Martini1991]

Can you people stop replying to the "lol 8.5GHz so what?" crowd? It makes putting them on /ignore pointless if you lot are all quoting their posts!

Don't read, move on?

 

[manveruppd]

Wouldn't it be fairer if you said

Don't post, move on?

to the people writing the "OMGONLY2CORESLOL" posts in the first place?

 

[Martini1991]

Wouldn't it be fairer if you said



to the people writing the "OMGONLY2CORESLOL" posts in the first place?

I can't go back into the past, can you?

 

[drunkenmaster]

Why is everyone being stupid?
Have you all forgotten history? Or are you just ignorant?

Phenom II came no closer to SB to breaking the WR? LOL

Almost two years ago, and the silicon has improved since then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Hf6d404QY

RAGE.
This was the silicon that could barely get 3.8GHZ stable 24/7.
My 1055T did 600MHZ over that, with 50% more cores.

Wonder what that'd do under L2N.

ALSO, bearing in mind this was a benchmark run, not for CPUZ.

*Awaits the hazing*.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say tbh, if its sarcastic or not, you know thats not a world record, its a record for Phenom 2 and its a 3dmark record, its not a clock speed record, which was done with chips from 2006, which hit 8Ghz+, so hitting 7Ghz 4 years later was moving backwards from the world record still.

hexcore Phenom 2's only went a little further on the new stepping.

Unsurprisingly a quad core phenom at 7Ghz is very fast and a 8Ghz celery based on p4 is exceptionally slow these days. But the record is about clock speed, nothing more or less and realistically neither company has come close to the older architectures in speed.

 

[Martini1991]

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say tbh, if its sarcastic or not, you know thats not a world record, its a record for Phenom 2 and its a 3dmark record, its not a clock speed record, which was done with chips from 2006, which hit 8Ghz+, so hitting 7Ghz 4 years later was moving backwards from the world record still.

hexcore Phenom 2's only went a little further on the new stepping.

Unsurprisingly a quad core phenom at 7Ghz is very fast and a 8Ghz celery based on p4 is exceptionally slow these days. But the record is about clock speed, nothing more or less and realistically neither company has come close to the older architectures in speed.

Actually, that was a world record for 3Dmark06.
But you've obviously ignored everything, so it's irrelevant.

GG.

 

[Judgeneo]

Actually, that was a world record for 3Dmark06.
But you've obviously ignored everything, so it's irrelevant.

GG.

He said it was a 3Dmark record....

 

[drunkenmaster]

A bench against Intel CPUs: apparently.

Softpedia articles aren't the greatest but not quite sure what to take from this article as of yet.

This is the same info as before, just reposted on another site, and misreading the info(most likely). In general Handbrake has one "fast" pass then one slow pass, the fast pass will be over 100fps and only uses 3 threads, the second pass is normally massively slower than that and uses more threads(though I'm not sure how many more). As stated before, a 2600 is around 2-3% faster than a 2500k in the first pass, because both use 3 threads, and the 2600% is around 3% higher clockspeed. The second pass the 2600k is 30-40% faster, purely down to hyperthreading, I'm not sure how it scales, if it is limited to say 6 threads then 40% faster is awesome, if it can use the full 8 threads on the 2600k then its scaling okay, certainly not brilliantly, not terrible either.

Basically without knowing what they ran, on what settings its almost worthless, but by the sheer stupidly high speed, the most likely scenario is its doing the first pass on low settings, and in that case the Bulldozer chip is doing exceptionally well, keeping in mind that would basically be 20% faster than the 2600k aswell AND this will be the £150 chip, not the £200+ Bulldozer.

 

[Martini1991]

He said it was a 3Dmark record....

So, A world record? I was picking out on his words.
But I wasn't even on about that...
It's what he said previously, and it was aload of crap.
Thuban barely broke 7GHZ?, yet Deneb had already done it previously, and that was on older silicon. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Actually, that was a world record for 3Dmark06.
But you've obviously ignored everything, so it's irrelevant.

GG.

Sorry I didn't specifically say it wasn't a clock speed world record, which is what most of the last god knows how many pages in discussion is about. My post was still clear as day.

Its kind of like me saying Car X didn't come close to the land speed record, but you say Car X broke the MPG record, therefore, it didn't come close to the record. Its completely different things.

Phenom and Sandy/anything core based afaik, hasn't come remotely close to breaking any old p4 based clock speed records, that those chips have consistantly broken other records doesn't change a whole hell of a lot.

What has breaking the 3dmark record got to do with Phenom coming no where near the clock speed record?

 

[drunkenmaster]

So, A world record? I was picking out on his words.
But I wasn't even on about that...
It's what he said previously, and it was aload of crap.
Thuban barely broke 7GHZ?, yet Deneb had already done it previously, and that was on older silicon. That's what I'm getting at.

Thats because, Thuban barely broke 7Ghz, and Deneb had done it previously..... you know Deneb doing 7Ghz doesn't mean Thuban could do 7.5Ghz, it couldn't, and its still no where near 8.3Ghz which was the previous record. Thuban is the same architecture on the same process with the same limits.

Or if I'm talking crap and Thuban smashed Deneb to pieces, I assume you can link to a run that almost broke the clock speed record?

 

[JediFragger]

He said it was a 3Dmark record....

ePeen seen from Space

 

[Martini1991]

Thats because, Thuban barely broke 7Ghz, and Deneb had done it previously..... you know Deneb doing 7Ghz doesn't mean Thuban could do 7.5Ghz, it couldn't, and its still no where near 8.3Ghz which was the previous record. Thuban is the same architecture on the same process with the same limits.

Or if I'm talking crap and Thuban smashed Deneb to pieces, I assume you can link to a run that almost broke the clock speed record?

I didn't say it did/could.

And I never said Deneb/Thuban almost broke the world record, merely that it came closer to it than SB ever did.

I also never said Thuban smashed Deneb. I gave an example of my Thuban smashing my Deneb like... But that was conventional overclocking.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I didn't say it did/could.

And I never said Deneb/Thuban almost broke the world record, merely that it came closer to it than SB ever did.

I also never said Thuban smashed Deneb. I gave an example of my Thuban smashing my Deneb like... But that was conventional overclocking.

Actually you were CLEARLY responding to my claim and suggesting it was bs I said very clearly that Phenom 2/Thuban came no closer to breaking the WR THAN SB, not that it couldn't go faster than SB, literally both are over 1Ghz away from the OLD record.

To be fair I mispoke, Phenom/thuban afaik hasn't beaten the 980x, which went marginally faster than it, neither has broken 7.2Ghz. I pay zero attention in general to LN2 and it would seem Sandy is rubbish due to cold bug, who knows, I honestly don't care.

Thuban's haven't beaten Phenom 2's(it would seem from a quick check), neither has beaten the 980x, and that was over 1.1Ghz from the old clock speed record.

I really don't know why you're talking about history and records when every single other post by everyone was about clock speed records.

 

[Martini1991]

Actually you were CLEARLY responding to my claim and suggesting it was bs I said very clearly that Phenom 2/Thuban came no closer to breaking the WR THAN SB, not that it couldn't go faster than SB, literally both are over 1Ghz away from the OLD record.

To be fair I mispoke, Phenom/thuban afaik hasn't beaten the 980x, which went marginally faster than it, neither has broken 7.2Ghz. I pay zero attention in general to LN2 and it would seem Sandy is rubbish due to cold bug, who knows, I honestly don't care.

Thuban's haven't beaten Phenom 2's(it would seem from a quick check), neither has beaten the 980x, and that was over 1.1Ghz from the old clock speed record.

I really don't know why you're talking about history and records when every single other post by everyone was about clock speed records.

Thuban is a Phenom II.


My post also required for a little "Inbetween the line reading" that you all ignored.

SB, simply can't clock much past its limit, which is why I think Intel applied an "artifical" limit. But which clock further stable? Deneb/Thuban or SB? SB.

BD going to 8.5GHZ on L2N isn't any indication on how it'll overclock stable, be that from how it scales etc, like your stupidly long post suggests it is helpful.
Alas, I'm toying around with you, because you're a funny guy, I think you post very long replies to deter anyone responding to it, you're obviously clever, that much is evident....