AMD Bulldozer Finally!

[Final8y]

What? Presume you are having a bad day or something, you are coming across as extremely strange. I have no idea how you presume to judge my morality.

But you have disregards for mine and I'm not having a strange day at all it just I'm more strict when it comes to holding mine.

You would find me strange or rather different has my friends and people who know me say.

And I'm very trusted because of it.

The phrase "well you would do the same in their position" is not something I'm accused of by people who know me, i don't give in to the temptations and justify it with, "Well you only live once and everybody does it" when its doing something wrong to others, no matter how much i would have to gain by doing so and im not religious.

 

[Skidder]

But you have disregards for mine and I'm not having a strange day at all it just I'm more strict when it comes to holding mine.

You would find me strange or rather different has my friends and people who know me say.

And I'm very trusted because of it.

The phrase "well you would do the same in their position" is not something I'm accused of by people who know me, i don't give in to the temptations and justify it with, "Well you only live once and everybody does it" when its doing something wrong to others, no matter how much i would have to gain by doing so and im not religious.

Where is this coming from? Seriously I have no interest in you, or your moral framework. I haven't got a disregard or opinion on your morality. It was slightly interesting how excited you were getting about something so trivial, but it has run its course. As a great (OK average) comic creation once said, Wibble.

 

[Final8y]

Where is this coming from? Seriously I have no interest in you, or your moral framework. I haven't got a disregard or opinion on your morality. It was slightly interesting how excited you were getting about something so trivial, but it has run its course. As a great (OK average) comic creation once said, Wibble.

I said i wanted the quote changed and its as simple as that and its because you don't understand my moral framework is why you think the quote was no big deal.

Its no big deal to you i have no problem with, but I'm not you and its not you being quoted.

 

[DavidB]

But you have disregards for mine and I'm not having a strange day at all it just I'm more strict when it comes to holding mine.

You would find me strange or rather different has my friends and people who know me say.

And I'm very trusted because of it.

The phrase "well you would do the same in their position" is not something I'm accused of by people who know me, i don't give in to the temptations and justify it with, "Well you only live once and everybody does it" when its doing something wrong to others, no matter how much i would have to gain by doing so and im not religious.

It's strange, I read the edited quote as being something you said and thought nothing of it. However your reaction to such a trivial matter has painted you in a far worse light. If you think that this is "strict morals" I think your wrong, it's making a mountain out of a mole hill and spreading ill feeling unnecessarily.

 

[Skidder]

I said i wanted to quote changed and its as simple as that and its because you don't understand my moral framework is why you think the quote was no big deal.

 

[Final8y]

It's strange, I read the edited quote as being something you said and thought nothing of it. However your reaction to such a trivial matter has painted you in a far worse light. If you think that this is "strict morals" I think your wrong, it's making a mountain out of a mole hill and spreading ill feeling unnecessarily.

And the bold part is exactly what I'm on about.

You don't know me to be telling me about morals.

If the edit was just removed without others jumping in then we would not be where we are now.

 

[DavidB]

I said i wanted to quote changed and its as simple as that and its because you don't understand my moral framework is why you think the quote was no big deal.

People don't understand your morals because your deviating from social norms. I think if you'd worded your initial request in a more reasonable manner then no issue would have been created.

"Don't edit my comments and put words onto my mouth that i would not use to call someone on this forum. "
Is so much more unneccessarily aggressive than:

"Randal24, could you please change your quote? I iknow it's not intentional but it makes it seem like I'm calling someone an idiot"

And the bold part is exactly what I'm on about.

You don't know me to be telling my about moral.

If the edit was just removed without other jumping in then we would not be where we are now.

I agree, I just think it was handled badly. You have to consider what other people consider morally acceptable too, I think it's morally unacceptable to confront someone so aggressively over a misquote. Furthermore I didn't tell you about your morals, I simply stated how the situation was in my (and others) eyes.

 

[randal]

People don't understand your morals because your deviating from social norms. I think if you'd worded your initial request in a more reasonable manner then no issue would have been created.

"Don't edit my comments and put words onto my mouth that i would not use to call someone on this forum. "
Is so much more unneccessarily aggressive than:

"Randal24, could you please change your quote? I iknow it's not intentional but it makes it seem like I'm calling someone an idiot"

Exactly. I quoted the post in the manner I did for two reasons:

1) Quoting pictures a couple of posts down is irritating, hence the ad libbed version

2) We're in Hardware, not GD so I have faith in the intelligence of the people reading the thread to have read every post and take the quote in context. Apparently a view you don't share Final8y.

There was no malice, no intention of defamation, or calling your character into question. Even if someone had read your quote, they would have scrolled back up to see what I was talking about and seen the two words used in the pic anyway.

No harm done, situation defused, back on to day dreaming about release dates and specs for AMD's new flagship processor. Probably wise to get a whole lot deleted by a mod anyway, as my two liner appears to have derailed the thread somewhat.

 

[Kelt]

This thread really needs to get back on-topic.

 

[Skidder]

It would be interesting to have a poll on whether people currently think they will / will not buy bulldozer and then a second poll to see how it pans out when it is real and we have proper benchies.

 

[Final8y]

People don't understand your morals because your deviating from social norms. I think if you'd worded your initial request in a more reasonable manner then no issue would have been created.

"Don't edit my comments and put words onto my mouth that i would not use to call someone on this forum. "
Is so much more unneccessarily aggressive than:

"Randal24, could you please change your quote? I iknow it's not intentional but it makes it seem like I'm calling someone an idiot"

I indeed deviate from social norms on many level because i don't like them, there is far too much deceptions and people not standing up for themselves when its really matters and follow when they should not, so we all lose out, everyone gets painted with the same brush from the get go and i have to fight every inch to people who don't know me so that the doors that should be open to me don't get closed.

And yes the way you put it would have been much better.

And i really should be going as the GF is coming around later.

 

[lee20010]

Back to the subject. This new AND chip, interesting stuff wouldn't you say so lol?

 

[Final8y]

Exactly. I quoted the post in the manner I did for two reasons:

1) Quoting pictures a couple of posts down is irritating, hence the ad libbed version

2) We're in Hardware, not GD so I have faith in the intelligence of the people reading the thread to have read every post and take the quote in context. Apparently a view you don't share Final8y.

There was no malice, no intention of defamation, or calling your character into question. Even if someone had read your quote, they would have scrolled back up to see what I was talking about and seen the two words used in the pic anyway.

I fully understand the intentios & the reasons but
No harm done, situation defused, back on to day dreaming about release dates and specs for AMD's new flagship processor. Probably wise to get a whole lot deleted by a mod anyway, as my two liner appears to have derailed the thread somewhat.

I fully understand the intentions and the reasons, but people do make mistakes and do misunderstand and take things out of context even unintentionally, because theses things do happen is why i wanted it removed to take away the possibility.

I have been accused of saying things before on this forum which i have not said, i then ask them to look at my post history as proof, it also does not help that i make lots of spelling errors and would look even more as if i wrote it.

Now that you have quoted me as saying something i had not it is now in the history of me saying so.

Complacency and leaving things to chance is a killer and getting people out of problems because of that is tiring.

I'm not against people altering my quotes when its an obvious joke.


But then again you still have not removed it and the best that you could come up with was this, clearly you don't understand.

Why? It's in the jpg? Admittedly I got the case wrong, and for that I apologise.

 

[mjones1]

Yes, but I'm unsure if it will succeed & would love a few benchmarks done by a big review site but that's not happening any time soon.

 

[gareth170]

But that's exactly why I'd rather wait for proper reviews. No one can really tell if the benchmarks were rigged to favour their setups or not and no one will be able to find out either.

but you clearly said them are not fake... which means they are true...

i personlly don't believe/trust any review sites, i prefer user results/info.

either way im not bothered. i'll still get a 8150.

 

[Martini1991]

 

[Helios1234]

but you clearly said them are not fake... which means they are true...

i personlly don't believe/trust any review sites, i prefer user results/info.

either way im not bothered. i'll still get a 8150.

The slides are real but you have to realise AMD are here to convince us that BD is great. It's all marketing and as such everything they say has to be taken with a pinch of salt. I can't comment on the actual performance even though they showed us but people just have to use a bit of common sense. I'd say the same thing if Intel had written some slides claiming their products was better etc.

That's the whole point of reviews, they take an impartial look at the product and show people exactly what the processors can achieve. User reviews are helpful but even those aren't always trustworthy. Why would you not believe review sites?

 

[drunkenmaster]

I'm still not sure why anyone would by a 8150 over a 8120, assuming both are available within a few days of each other or the same time. I'm guessing numbers as I can't be bothered to check on the latest supposed prices, but lets say a 8150 is priced just under a 2600k, a hex core is probably priced just under a 2500k, and the not quite top end 8120 is likely to be somewhere inbetween, but closer to the hexcore price than the top end one.

Why pay £40-50 more for once overclocked, an identical chip? The 2500/2600k actually has a different feature, one that noticeably improves performance, so gives you a pretty good reason to go 2600k, even then the majority still go for a 2500k. If HT was on both, how many would go for the 2600k.

 

[Final8y]

Both the AMD and the Intel systems compared in that slide had the same GPU (Radeon 6870). I think their point was with everything else fairly similar, the different CPU does not affect the games much at all, and since the AMD is much cheaper, why not go that route instead? I don't think it has anything to do with total CPU performance, just relative to that particular application.

And as to the comment "If you can afford that CPU surely you can afford X GPU setup" - maybe not, because by the time you buy that CPU you might not have any money left

Just trying to make some sense of the slides, and a little confused why everyone is throwing a fit over them - particularly the person who edited the pic with all the "LOLZ IDIOTS!!!" comments (makes himself to look more like a "dumb 15 year old kid" than anything else).

Or maybe I'm just not awake yet and am totally missing something.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...es-Bulldozer&p=4957573&viewfull=1#post4957573

He has a point, but only if your GPU limited because having both better CPU and GPU would get better results.

 

[Martini1991]

A 6870 is only a mid range GPU.
I noticed a ton of difference going from a Phenom II to an SB system, and I bet the majority of people did too, as their current CPU was a bottleneck.
So, BD's IPC is important.