AMD Bulldozer Finally!

TheNameIsJambo · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:10

Sandybridge > Bulldozer?

Ouch.

Muel · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:13

Martini1991 said:
There's no reason to buy BD period

What about if you want to run 8 VMs? Would a 2600k perform as well as a BD 8 core then?

almighty15 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:18

Muel said:
What about if you want to run 8 VMs? Would a 2600k perform as well as a BD 8 core then?

Yes it would, a 2600K is nearly 50% faster clock for clock

mmj_uk · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:22

gareth170 said:
well if BD does have the TLB bug and if amd brings out a B3 or C0 to fix it. people should have the right to rma they B2 chip as it's faulty.

Like I said before I can't see them re-releasing a minor revision of this thing, minor improvements simply aren't good enough to waste time on especially if they can software patch it.

If anything they will get to work on making major improvements all across the board and rebrand it as Bulldozer II so that they can let this thing RIP along with Phenom 1.

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:24

Muel said:
What about if you want to run 8 VMs? Would a 2600k perform as well as a BD 8 core then?

BD might be better for VM's.

gareth170 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:34

mmj_uk said:
Like I said before I can't see them re-releasing a minor revision of this thing, minor improvements simply aren't good enough to waste time on especially if they can software patch it.

If anything they will get to work on making major improvements all across the board and rebrand it as Bulldozer II so that they can let this thing RIP along with Phenom 1.

but they with C2 to C3 on phenom II which had minor improvements

also they are already working on a new revision B3

Elevon · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:35

StonedPenguin said:
So Bulldozer is starting to look more and more like Barcelona: Not only is the performance underwhelming, but apparently the stability is not 100% either.

Don't they ever test their BDs before they go retail?...not like they have not had enough time.

I don't know how much worst it can get for AMD...maybe its the wrong model they released ie Bugdozer

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mmj_uk · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:39

gareth170 said:
but they with C2 to C3 on phenom II which had minor improvements

also they are already working on a new revision B3

Yeah but Phenom II was a good chip.

Is it 100% confirmed they're working on a B3? imo they need to make some major improvements not just minor ones and with that they might rebrand it.

This launch reminds me very much of Phenom 1 and with that they just did a software fix which gimped performance (tough luck to those who bought it) and got to work on a much improved version (Phenom II).

Cooper · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:41

Martini1991 said:
And lolDozer fail ;

http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

From henceforth, shall be known as....

DERPDOZER

DragonQ · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:50

Cooper said:
From henceforth, shall be known as....

DERPDOZER

Confirmed.

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:51

Trolldozer!

gareth170 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:54

mmj_uk said:
Yeah but Phenom II was a good chip.

Is it 100% confirmed they're working on a B3? imo they need to make some major improvements not just minor ones and with that they might rebrand it.

This launch reminds me very much of Phenom 1 and with that they just did a software fix which gimped performance (tough luck to those who bought it) and got to work on a much improved version (Phenom II).

http://www.theffwiki.com/amd-bulldozer-b3-revision-is-in-the-works/

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:56

But we don't know what B3 will amount to.
I'm simply thinking it's similar to C3 from C2, which isn't going to make the chip go from Phenom to Phenom II.

mmj_uk · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:58

gareth170 said:
http://www.theffwiki.com/amd-bulldozer-b3-revision-is-in-the-works/

Well I just looked at Wiki page for the original Phenom and according to that I'm wrong and AMD did later release a B3 stepping but iirc there was no upgrade programme for B2 owners unless someone can prove me wrong.

This penalty was not accounted for in pre-release previews of Phenom, hence the performance of early Phenoms delivered to customers is expected to be less than the preview benchmarks. "B3" stepping Phenom processors were released March 27, 2008 without the TLB bug and with "xx50" model numbers.

So the question is do people who want Bulldozer buy now or wait for B3 (will it make much difference?). I'd still expect them to be working on a beefed up successor like they did with Phenom.

Plus1 · 19 Oct 2011 at 17:59

Martini1991 said:
I wonder if the fix to the BSOD's will be another performance decrease fix like the Phenom's?

-1: Speculation.

almighty15 said:
Yes it would, a 2600K is nearly 50% faster clock for clock

-1: Again. Speculation .

Martini1991 said:
The FX4 and FX6 parts are just failed FX8 parts, except as far as I know, unlocking isn't possible.

And lolDozer fail ;

http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

-1 again... You help yourself and other into believing this continuous spin.. Keep it up. All you've done is to make Intel cpu's increase in price by about 10 pounds across all e-retailer.
Secondly you have NEVER seen or tested this chip yourself, yet you destroy this chip with your continuous rambling. Thought this forums were used by non-enthusiast to reference what they should be using, as real enthusiast would have tested the chips themselves.

+gareth170

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:00

Plus1 said:
-1: Speculation.

How is a question negative?
The software fix for Phenoms decreased the performance, if they do the same here, it's a perfectly valid question.

The FX4 and FX6 are just failed FX8 parts, the fact the FX8 parts aren't here yet is evidence of the poor yields.

I'm not going to buy an FX8 to use it myself, why would I?

Plus1 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:02

Martini1991 said:
How is a question negative?
The software fix for Phenoms decreased the performance, if they do the same here, it's a perfectly valid question.

The FX4 and FX6 are just failed FX8 parts, the fact the FX8 parts aren't here yet is evidence of the poor yields.

I'm not going to buy an FX8 to use it myself, why would I?

Yes, But you speak as if it were the gospel truth.. Is it. Better ask then assume.

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:04

I never said that the 2600k was 50% clock for clock faster.
I said BD could be better for VM's.

And the FX4's and FX6's are failed 8FX parts.
What's wrong about that?

gareth170 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:05

mmj_uk said:
Well I just looked at Wiki page for the original Phenom and according to that I'm wrong and AMD did later release a B3 stepping but iirc there was no upgrade program for B2 owners unless someone can prove me wrong.

i didn't say there was but if the chip is faulty or defected the person could rma it as it's not running stable.

Martini1991 · 19 Oct 2011 at 18:07

gareth170 said:
i didn't say there was but if the chip is fault or defected the person could rma it as it's not running stable.

But it never happened in the past, that doesn't mean it can't happen this time, however it decreases the likelihood.