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What price are people expecting it to come in at?
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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022
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Caporegime
Might get one of these, based on the gaming performance. 
Seriously how much do you expect it to cost and do you want a wager on it?
I'm expecting atleast $500 especially as we were never given a price at the reveal.
This was compared to the 12900k in performance and you think AMD is going to price this up against the 12700?
I guess it depends closer to the release, if AMD is still selling really well and Zen4 isn't far off then they'll quite likely price it high as a 'halo' product. But if sales have tanked and Zen4 is 6+ months away I could see them going for a much lower price.
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Limited Edition? £750, and they'll all sell.
Do we have any idea how the extra cache effects productivity numbers ? I suspect its not quite so much as it is in gaming or AMD would also be shouting about it. That being the case it would make the 58000x3d a bit of a odd ball, better than ADL for gaming, possibly not much better than a standard 5800x in anything else. How do they price that against a 5900x and the ADL competition?
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They compared *gaming* performance. The 12900k has productivity performance on par or better than a 5950X.
Even if the 5800X3D scrapes by the 12900k in gaming, I don't see it having any chance on the productivity side.
Intel could disable all the e-cores, on a binned 8-p-core part, turn up the TDP to 11, and call it a day.
The 12900k is a gaming *and* productivity chip. By focusing on gaming only with the 5800X3D, I think AMD could get flanked.
My 3800X has been pretty good to me, I'll be happy to upgrade to 5800X3D and get another couple of years out of AM4. And if it rocks up rare as hen's teeth at over £500 then I'll upgrade to a relatively cheap 5900X instead. Win-win as far as I'm concerned. 
AMD will know from the GPU market that there is plenty of people out there which will pay whatever it takes to get the top gaming performance products.
My 3800X has been pretty good to me, I'll be happy to upgrade to 5800X3D and get another couple of years out of AM4. And if it rocks up rare as hen's teeth at over £500 then I'll upgrade to a relatively cheap 5900X instead. Win-win as far as I'm concerned.
You'll likely be fine either way. If you hold off until AM5 then they'll be even cheaper.
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And that could remain an Intel part. By putting all their eggs in that one "gaming" basket, they give intel a single target to strike.
Like I said, a highly-binned, all-p-core part, turned up to 11, may be a relatively simple way for intel to outperform a 5800X3D at, well, everything a 5800X3D can do.
This approach makes it easier for Intel to respond. Heck, if they overprice the 5800X3D, Intel could just stick witheir 12900KS plan....win in gaming and demolish the 5800X3D in productivity.
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By the time they got the part validated and to market it Zen4 would knocking at the door and Raptor Lake, so kinda pointless.