AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

[Bencher]

i did my research and the 5800X is literally as fast as a 10900K in MT rendering and encoding while using half the power and being much cheaper.

Not exactly true. You probably watched some rendering and encoding that lasted like a minute, so the 10900k was boosting to 250w or something. You realize it drops to 125w after 50 seconds, right? So how the hell can a 5800x consume half? I think GN (or is it techspot? not sure) runs a 30 minute blender run, the 10900k and 5800x are pretty even in both performance and power consumption. Of course the 10900k also gives you the option to boost very high and have better performance at the cost of efficiency.

 

[humbug]

Not exactly true. You probably watched some rendering and encoding that lasted like a minute, so the 10900k was boosting to 250w or something. You realize it drops to 125w after 50 seconds, right? So how the hell can a 5800x consume half? I think GN (or is it techspot? not sure) runs a 30 minute blender run, the 10900k and 5800x are pretty even in both performance and power consumption. Of course the 10900k also gives you the option to boost very high and have better performance at the cost of efficiency.

Score 16,624: Intel Core i9 10850K at 5Ghz, turbot1984 Link
Score 16,553: AMD Ryzen R7 5800X at 4.825Ghz, gerardfraser Link

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r23-benchmark-thread.18941421/



https://www.cpuagent.com/cpu/amd-ry...vidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti?res=1&quality=ultra

 

[Bencher]

Score 16,624: Intel Core i9 10850K at 5Ghz, turbot1984 Link
Score 16,553: AMD Ryzen R7 5800X at 4.825Ghz, gerardfraser Link

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r23-benchmark-thread.18941421/



https://www.cpuagent.com/cpu/amd-ry...vidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti?res=1&quality=ultra

You are showing me a link where the 5950x is behind a 3900x as proof? Okay buddy. If you don't realize the numbers there are all over the place, it's the AMD glasses (9900ks behind 9900k, 10900k behind 9900k, 10600 behind 8700..uhm k)

Gnexus runs vray and blender and the 2 cpus are basically tied (10900k wins in vray, loses in blender), both at 125 power consumption. You said the 5800x performs better and consumes half, which is just a blatant lie. When the 10900k consumes double, it outperforms the 5800x by a lot. Again, numbers by gnexus

 

[humbug]

You are showing me a link where the 5950x is behind a 3900x as proof? Okay buddy. If you don't realize the numbers there are all over the place, it's the AMD glasses (9900ks behind 9900k, 10900k behind 9900k, 10600 behind 8700..uhm k)

Gnexus runs vray and blender and the 2 cpus are basically tied (10900k wins in vray, loses in blender), both at 125 power consumption. You said the 5800x performs better and consumes half, which is just a blatant lie. When the 10900k consumes double, it outperforms the 5800x by a lot. Again, numbers by gnexus

You're right try this one, i also posted a 5800X @ 4.825Ghz vs a 10850K @ 5Ghz in R23, both are the highest scoring of their type, the 10850K is 0.004% ahead, or in other words exactly the same score.

 

[Bencher]

Are we really going to play this game? From the guru3d review 10900k wins in CBR15, cbr20, blender bmw

Anyways, you said that the 5800x consumes half the power while it performs similar, which is NOT true. Gnexus had a pretty good blender test, the 10900k @ 125w performs on par with the 5800x. So you are off by a margin of 100%. Not a biggie, rounding error

When the 10900k does consume double (clocked to 5.2ghz), it destroys the electrons of the 5800x. Again, as shown by the gnexus review. So yeah, please, chill a bit with the amd glasses.

 

[humbug]

Are we really going to play this game? From the guru3d review 10900k wins in CBR15, cbr20, blender bmw

Anyways, you said that the 5800x consumes half the power while it performs similar, which is NOT true. Gnexus had a pretty good blender test, the 10900k @ 125w performs on par with the 5800x. So you are off by a margin of 100%. Not a biggie, rounding error

When the 10900k does consume double (clocked to 5.2ghz), it destroys the electrons of the 5800x. Again, as shown by the gnexus review. So yeah, please, chill a bit with the amd glasses.

No its doesn't..... scores are again pretty much exactly the same, i think its time for you to back up your claims like i have.

The extra 2 cores 4 threads make up the IPC deficit, but you know how it is, per core performance matters more. Or so i was always told.

 

[Bencher]

I guess we are playing the pictures game.

Can you show me some encoding and rendering reviews where the 5800x performs similar at half the wattage, as you claimed at the post I quoted?

 

[humbug]

I guess we are playing the pictures game.

Can you show me some encoding and rendering reviews where the 5800x performs similar at half the wattage, as you claimed at the post I quoted?

GN.

5800X vs 1900K

V-Ray: Tie

Phototshop
5800X: +13.5%

7Zip Compression: Tie (obviously, its IO limited)

7Zip Decompression
5800X: +34%

Blender Cycles
10900K: +12.5%

Chromium Code Compile
10900K: +8%

5800X wins 6 out of 7 games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x2BYNimNOU

 

[Bencher]

GN.

5800X vs 1900K

V-Ray: Tie

Phototshop
5800X: +13.5%

7Zip Compression: Tie
7Zip Decompression
5800X: +34%

Blender Cycles
10900K: +12.5%

Chromium Code Compile
10900K: +8%

5800X wins 6 out of 7 games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x2BYNimNOU

Photoshop 7zip and games are encoding and rendering? Oh god, why cant you just admit you lied and be done with it...you said you bought the 5800x cause it performs similar to the 10900k in encoding and rendering but it consumes half the power. That was a lie, admit it and move on?

Of course you are also lying now about winning 6 out of 7 games, it loses to ACO and RDR2, also it gets stomped in 1% and 0.1% lows at gtav, but whatever, doesn't matter.

 

[humbug]

Photoshop 7zip and games are encoding and rendering? Oh god, why cant you just admit you lied and be done with it...you said you bought the 5800x cause it performs similar to the 10900k in encoding and rendering but it consumes half the power. That was a lie, admit it and move on?

Yes, how is 7Zip, or Photoshop or Handbreak for that matter not valid?

12% in Blender is not enough to swing it. Its the only thing that matters right?

Which do you think is the better CPU? which CPU do you think i should have bought?

 

[Bencher]

Yes, how is 7Zip, or Photoshop or Handbreak for that matter not valid?

12% in Blender is not enough to swing it.

Which do you think is the better CPU? which CPU do you think i should have bought?

I don't care what you bought and what you should have bought. You said it performs similar in rendering and encoding while consuming half and that's why you bought it. That was a LIE, was it not?

Since you care about rendering encoding and 7zips, and since as you said gaming is not all people do with their PC's you should have bought the 3900x.

 

[humbug]

I don't care what you bought and what you should have bought. You said it performs similar in rendering and encoding while consuming half and that's why you bought it. That was a LIE, was it not?

Are Cinema4D and Photoshop not rendering? Is Handbreak not encoding?

 

[Bencher]

So you are telling me that in photoshop teh 10900k consumes double? Gnexus has the consumption numbers right there, the 10900k consumes 2 more watts than the 5800x in blender. So since it consumes double as you claimed, that means the 5800x consumes 2 watts in total. Okay, amd fans, literally impossible to reason with, even when it comes to numbers.

 

[subbytna]

"Price per core" seems like a bit of a distraction.

Cores are just a means to an end. That "end" is performance.

1)How does it perform?

2) What does it cost?

Cores, clock speed, cache, process node....all that is nice to geek-out on, but we are buying *performance*. (Well, usually at least)

Quit you being so sensible and come join us on the fence here with some popcorn We all love a good internet nerd fight

 

[Bencher]

Which do you think is the better CPU?

Since im gaming, the 10900k. With 4500c16 ram is untouchable by the 5800x. If you are interested in productivity, the 5800x is still terrible for the money, the 3900x is better at 99% of tasks

 

[humbug]

"Its not fair because he didn't use £300 RAM" ^^^^

So you are telling me that in photoshop teh 10900k consumes double? Gnexus has the consumption numbers right there, the 10900k consumes 2 more watts than the 5800x in blender. So since it consumes double as you claimed, that means the 5800x consumes 2 watts in total. Okay, amd fans, literally impossible to reason with, even when it comes to numbers.

Photoshop is not well thread so no, not in that peticular application. but then you knew that.

I have my CPU overclocked and with it its using less power than it was at stock, what happens to the 10900K when you overclock it?

 

[Bencher]

"Its not fair because he didn't use £300 RAM" ^^^^

Never said that, never going to say that. Not a fanboy like you buddy. I'm just mentioning that the 10900k CAN and WILL run ram way above what zen 3 can, which gets it some huge performance improvement. Doesn't need 300€ ram either, any bdie kit starting from 130€ can do it. Even the cheapest 3200c14 can run at 4000+ with 1.5 volts.

 

[Bencher]

I have my CPU overclocked and with it its using less power than it was at stock, what happens to the 10900K when you overclock it?

Why do you think that's exclusive to zen? Of course the 10900 can use less power overclocked. Was running 4.9 ghz at 1.16 volts ---> around 150-160watts in cbr20.

 

[humbug]

Never said that, never going to say that. Not a fanboy like you buddy. I'm just mentioning that the 10900k CAN and WILL run ram way above what zen 3 can, which gets it some huge performance improvement. Doesn't need 300€ ram either, any bdie kit starting from 130€ can do it. Even the cheapest 3200c14 can run at 4000+ with 1.5 volts.

You can run 3800MT/s on the 5800X with a 1:1 IMC and that also makes a difference to gaming, i don't think the 10900K can make up its gaming deficit no matter what RAM you put on it.

Fanboy? that sugests you think the 10900K is better and i only bought it because i'm an AMD faboy, so you do care what CPU i bought, you think i should have bough the more expensive higher power consumption CPU that's also slower, because Intel.

Was running 4.9 ghz at 1.16 volts ---> around 150-160watts in cbr20.

Even with that golden sample you're still using 45% more power than i am.

 

[Bencher]

You can run 3800MT/s on the 5800X with a 1:1 IMC and that also makes a difference to gaming, i don't think the 10900K can make up its gaming deficit no matter what RAM you put on it.

Depending on the game, sure, sometimes the 5800x is faster, sometimes it's not. For example, in warzone not even the 5950x with the might cache can keep to a 10900k. Especially the lows, there is a huge discrepancy when you drop to plaza. We are talking, ~150-160 for the 5950 and 200 for the 10900k.

Sotr on the other hand runs better on zen