AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

[Bencher]

Fanboy? that sugests you think the 10900K is better and i only bought it because i'm an AMD faboy, so you do care what CPU i bought, you think i should have bough the more expensive higher power consumption CPU that's also slower, because Intel.

I don't care what youbought and why you bought it. I just called out your lies in the hopes you would admit they were lies made up to make you feel better about your purchase. The 10900k does not consume double in rendering unless you actually ask it to. Stock vs stock they have comparable performance and efficiency in rendering and encoding applications, but you claimed otherwise.

 

[RavenXXX2]

You can run 3800MT/s on the 5800X with a 1:1 IMC and that also makes a difference to gaming, i don't think the 10900K can make up its gaming deficit no matter what RAM you put on it.

https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/10900k-vs-5950x/

It does but it's imc dependent on how far your ram oc will go. 5950x is faster gaming than the 5800x going by benchmarks.

 

[Bencher]

https://kingfaris.co.uk/blog/10900k-vs-5950x/

It does but it's imc dependent on how far your ram oc will go. 5950x is faster gaming than the 5800x going by benchmarks.

Yeah, good luck proving to amd fans that intel was still faster in most games

Doesn't matter anyways, both zen 3 and comet lake were plenty fast anyways, so yeah, whatever

 

[humbug]

Depending on the game, sure, sometimes the 5800x is faster, sometimes it's not. For example, in warzone not even the 5950x with the might cache can keep to a 10900k. Especially the lows, there is a huge discrepancy when you drop to plaza. We are talking, ~150-160 for the 5950 and 200 for the 10900k.

Sotr on the other hand runs better on zen

I'm not going to post them all, just the first 5, see the rest for yourself. https://www.anandtech.com/show/1621...ive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

The trouble with your argument is you're looking at game benchmarks that are mostly GPU bound, now while running a very low resolution seems on the face of it stupid its actually not, when what you're seeing as 10% in a mostly GPU bound review could be as much as 48%. Cite one of the slides below, So you can put your faster RAM on it all that happens is the game benchmark just becomes more GPU limited, you're not actually catching the 5800X, you're gaining a couple of % on the 5800X +10% because most of the performance you're seeing is actually the GPU. In reality the capabilities gap between them is much wider.

 

[Dave2150]

What's everyone's guess as to release date for the 8 core 5800X3d? February, March?

 

[Twinz]

What's everyone's guess as to release date for the 8 core 5800X3d? February, March?

The "spring" wording they used seemed intentionally vague, so I am expecting later rather than sooner.

 

[chroniclard]

I get the feeling its going to be a bit "meh".

 

[RavenXXX2]

Humbug you do realize Ryzen excels at low res gaming is because it can fit most of the processing in its cache, higher resolution ryzen actually falls behind Intel. And them benchmarks are at stock DDR4-2933 for Intel lol.

 

[humbug]

Humbug you do realize Ryzen excels at low res gaming is because it can fit most of the processing in its cache, higher resolution ryzen actually falls behind Intel. And them benchmarks are at stock DDR4-2933 for Intel lol.

The 5950X has 2X as much cache as the 5800X, 64MB vs 32MB, now look at those slides again.

 

[Minstadave]

Humbug you do realize Ryzen excels at low res gaming is because it can fit most of the processing in its cache

I've never heard that before. It doesn't sound believable at a first glance. No game in the last decade or two is going to only run on the CPUs cache.

 

[RavenXXX2]

AMD even named it game cache! Check the 12900K out, it's now king of 720p gaming because of its cache size and higher IPC, the 12600k/12700k fall well behind with less cache.

 

[humbug]

AMD even named in game cache!

More cache helps for sure but its not resolution dependant, as i said the 5950X has twice the amount of cache as the 5800X, that's not helping it at these resolutions, not one bit.

 

[RavenXXX2]

More cache helps for sure but its not resolution dependant, as i said the 5950X has twice the amount of cache as the 5800X, that's not helping it at these resolutions, not one bit.

Games can only access one cache, jumping over IF would cause a huge performance penalty.

 

[Minstadave]

AMD even named it game cache! Check the 12900K out, it's now king of 720p gaming because of its cache size and higher IPC, the 12600k/12700k fall well behind with less cache.

Game cache is just a marketing term. What's its doing is reducing memory latency which has a huge impact on gaming performance. It's not the game itself running wholly in the cache.

 

[humbug]

Games can only access one cache, jumping over IF would case a huge performance penalty.

And your argument would be that coincidently its that CCD latency that makes all those Zen 3 cores look identical, its not that they are identical cores, its the Cache....

You know what really makes games fast on CPU's, when one core can hand off a workload to another core faster than another CPU, because any "Intercore Latency" is an increase in Call times which causes an increase in frame times.

The real problem Intel have is AMD's "Glue" is very much faster than Intel's Ring Bus.

 

[humbug]

To close Zen 2 and Zen 3 are the same core, AMD made some improvements to the Intercore Communications network, which is external to the core, that's why the IPC between Zen 2 and 3 is little different, maybe +5% to Zen 3, with Ryzen 5000 the bulk of its productivity performance over Zen 2 was with higher clock speeds.

The real difference is in games, where clock for clock Zen 3 is 30% faster than Zen 2, because of those improvements.

Zen 2/3 is a different core to Zen 1.

That chart ^^^ tracks directly the gaming performance, at least for the Zen cores.

Zen 1+ was a couple of % better in games than Zen 1, Zen 2 was about the same clock for clock as Coffee Lake, in general, but other differences in architecture means that doesn't track exactly, and the cited difference between it and Zen 3.

 

[Freddie1980]

I get the feeling its going to be a bit "meh".

I kinda get the feeling the 58003D is a bit of a novelty CPU and something that's little more then a glorified tech demo but happy to be proven wrong.

 

[humbug]

I kinda get the feeling the 58003D is a bit of a novelty CPU and something that's little more then a glorified tech demo but happy to be proven wrong.

Yeah its not so much about making "the best gaming CPU" that remains to be seen, Alder Lake is no pushover... i wouldn't like to say at this point which will win that but either way i think it will be close.

Its the Zen 4 guinea pig, that's what Zen 3D really is, its as Lisa Sue would say "Cleaning the pipes"

 

[jigger]

Yeah its not so much about making "the best gaming CPU" that remains to be seen, Alder Lake is no pushover... i wouldn't like to say at this point which will win that but either way i think it will be close.

Its the Zen 4 guinea pig, that's what Zen 3D really is, its as Lisa Sue would say "Cleaning the pipes"

AMD could be testing the demand for a more gaming focused part. I think the 5900X3D is probably going to gain a lot of traction as a surprising amount of people seem happy to throw a lot of money at PC gaming. If AMD can spin off focused parts that still aligned with the general R&D direction of AMD that would be a small but important and potentially growing market.

 

[humbug]

AMD could be testing the demand for a more gaming focused part. I think the 5900X3D is probably going to gain a lot of traction as a surprising amount of people seem happy to throw a lot of money at PC gaming. If AMD can spin off focused parts that still aligned with the general R&D direction of AMD that would be a small but important and potentially growing market.

That's a good point, with the proviso of its gaming prowess remaining to be seen AMD could be thinking about cooking up something much more focused if there is a market for such things.