AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

Joxeon · 19 Jan 2022 at 14:49

humbug said:
No its doesn't..... scores are again pretty much exactly the same, i think its time for you to back up your claims like i have.

The extra 2 cores 4 threads make up the IPC deficit, but you know how it is, per core performance matters more. Or so i was always told.

And now we have Intels budget 6 core beating AMDs 8 cores, no wonder Gelsinger is saying AMD is in the rear view mirror.

Vulture · 19 Jan 2022 at 14:53

Intel released new generation cpu, ofcourse it should be better, nothing miracle, AMD will put cache on old Zen 3 and demolish Alder Lake. Zen 4 will continue with domination, while Intel will focus on marketing and dirty tactics as usual.

Twinz · 19 Jan 2022 at 15:23

Gondar said:
Intel released new generation cpu, ofcourse it should be better, nothing miracle, AMD will put cache on old Zen 3 and demolish Alder Lake. Zen 4 will continue with domination, while Intel will focus on marketing and dirty tactics as usual.

"Demolish" you say?

Before we have independent data on either the 5800X3D or the upcoming 2900KS, what does "demolish" mean to you?

What will this demolition look like?

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 15:55

Joxeon said:
And now we have Intels budget 6 core beating AMDs 8 cores, no wonder Gelsinger is saying AMD is in the rear view mirror.

Gelsinger is trying to prove himself, Since about 2018 Instead of just gracefully allowing their products to do all the talking Intel have been loud and combative but at this point have lost their mindshare, so they turn the primary school yard posturing up to 11 thinking that will get it back for them.

I don't know how you view that Gelsinger video, by what you're saying here i'm assuming its got you feeling like you have had a lot of high sugar content fizzy drinks? But if you're asking me, and i'm assuming you are since you are putting this to me, all i'll say is talk is cheap.

Joxeon · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:03

humbug said:
Gelsinger is trying to prove himself, Since about 2018 Instead of just gracefully allowing their products to do all the talking Intel have been loud and combative but at this point have lost their mindshare, so they turn the primary school yard posturing up to 11 thinking that will get it back for them.

I don't know how you view that Gelsinger video, by what you're saying here i'm assuming its got you feeling like you have had a lot of high sugar content fizzy drinks? But if you're asking me, and i'm assuming you are since you are putting this to me, all i'll say is talk is cheap.

The slide shows that the performance is doing the talking though as even with AMDs impressive Zen 3 the 5600X could beat the previous gen 8 core in ST MT and gaming.

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:07

Joxeon said:
The slide shows that the performance is doing the talking though as even with AMDs impressive Zen 3 the 5600X could beat the previous gen 8 core in ST MT and gaming.

You're talking like that slide is the death nail for AMD and using Gelsinger's antics as a reinforcing element to it.

I don't know which of these two options is worse, that you're sucked into by it or think that i would be.

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:14

Do you really want to know what i think @Joxeon ?

jigger · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:35

A slide showing a 2 year old part, on a end of life (mid range chipset no less) platform, with pretty slow DDR4 and unknown cooling VS a super highend and heavily dialled in something else.

Not particularly impressive at all.

Cyber-Mav · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:38

humbug said:
Do you really want to know what i think @Joxeon ?

Oh yes he does

Vulture · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:38

It is funny to see how some fanboys happily support Intel ceo when saying it will be "death" of AMD, like Intel will then offer cheaper, better product for their fanboys Xd. I think every Intel fanboys should be in crying mode after CEO talk, if death of AMD comes, then 8 core will be premium for next 10 years, along with new chipset every generation while IPC increase is about 1%. We all know what happens when Intel have monopoly.

edit: and special message for ADL owners, without AMD you would still be on skylake platform, and quad core so...

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:44

Cyber-Mav said:
Oh yes he does

I was going to tell him:

I think Intel want their mindshare back so they can go back to doing nothing and charging $2000 for CPU's a bit better than the stagnant crap they have been re-branding on mainstream for a few years.

Be careful what you wish for.

Vulture · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:47

and i forgot to mention Intel HEDT ahaha, it was criminal from them, no wonder AMD easily killed their HEDT.

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:50

Gondar said:
and i forgot to mention Intel HEDT ahaha, it was criminal from them, no wonder AMD easily killed their HEDT.

Right AMD killed the 6900K with their first mainstream attempt since Bulldozer, this was in 2017, looking back at that CPU from a 2020 5950X perspective we realise just how not good that CPU actually was.

Cyber-Mav · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:51

humbug said:
I was going to tell him:

I think Intel want their mindshare back so they can go back to doing nothing and charging $2000 for CPU's a bit better than the stagnant crap they have been re-branding on mainstream for a few years.

Be careful what you wish for.

at the moment intel is cheaper than amd on cpu price to performance so your wrong on that.

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 16:56

Cyber-Mav said:
at the moment intel is cheaper than amd on cpu price to performance so your wrong on that.

They are not going to get their mindshare back by just shouting, even Intel know that, i was clearly talking more long term.

SKILL · 19 Jan 2022 at 17:44

Joxeon said:
And now we have Intels budget 6 core beating AMDs 8 cores, no wonder Gelsinger is saying AMD is in the rear view mirror.

lol, sure, 12400 walks all over the 5800X... As long as you spend £570 on a motherboard, and god knows how much on the scalped DDR5, and compare OC'd 12400 to stock 5800X. Let's ignore the fact you could get a 5900X setup for that price (or less), maybe even a 5950X, or a 12600K/12700K if you want to go Alder Lake.

Twinz · 19 Jan 2022 at 18:12

SKILL said:
lol, sure, 12400 walks all over the 5800X... As long as you spend £570 on a motherboard, and god knows how much on the scalped DDR5, and compare OC'd 12400 to stock 5800X. Let's ignore the fact you could get a 5900X setup for that price (or less), maybe even a 5950X, or a 12600K/12700K if you want to go Alder Lake.

12400 doesn't need an expensive motherboard or DDR5. (-certainly not for Cinebench the benchmark you are responding to)

Journey · 19 Jan 2022 at 18:19

Twinz said:
12400 doesn't need an expensive motherboard or DDR5. (-certainly not for Cinebench the benchmark you are responding to)

Did you not read the slide? It's from De8auer testing of the BCLK external clock gen, using an ASUS Z690 Apex and 32GB of DDR5 6000MHz RAM... the CPU costs 1/3 that of the board, and in total makes up 10% of the cost of the platform it is installed on to get those results.

humbug · 19 Jan 2022 at 18:28

SKILL said:
lol, sure, 12400 walks all over the 5800X... As long as you spend £570 on a motherboard, and god knows how much on the scalped DDR5, and compare OC'd 12400 to stock 5800X. Let's ignore the fact you could get a 5900X setup for that price (or less), maybe even a 5950X, or a 12600K/12700K if you want to go Alder Lake.

lol Holly #### yeah i just looked at the components.

A grand total of £1,300 in that budget system :cry:

Mine was £650. Literally half the price.

Vulture · 19 Jan 2022 at 18:45

5950x works on a320 board, you can't defeat that.