Well I guess you do know better with your info like this bit of insight you gave us for instance yet I see the CPU and a board available and in stock to purchase today.
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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022
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Soldato
Whoop, I used disti information which was all I had at the time. It's good they are available earlier, shame about the pricing though.
So come one what are you going to offer other than guesses and opinion, I'm waiting on this DDR5 news you are hearing.
EDIT: There are at least two boards in stock to buy, obviously that are £200+ which makes them pointless.
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Regardless of pricing they are still in stock and a long time before March, I'd imagine in another week or so there will be many more options with better pricing but the i5 non K SKUs on the other hand are all in stock at the MSRPs well before The March predictions you were making just a couple of weeks ago.
No doubts the supply of DDR5 will improve but then demand will also increase and with the 35 week lead time on certain components that are used in the manufacturing process I think it will be premature to say that stock and pricing will be fine by the time AM5 releases especially given with how long tech shortages have persisted in the last 18 months.
Soldato
Which was brought forward to Feb in my follow up comment, and as I said the dates are from disti websites where stock is ordered from, and some of them still show Feb for a lot of boards. How about you log into one of the computer distributor web portals and tell me what dates you are seeing for stock to be supplied?
So you aren't hearing anything them just making assumptions? As I sated 50% above DDR4 pricing by Q4 for the same density module, and by tech shortages what exactly are you referring to other than GPU's and other large semi conductors? Supply chain 35 weeks.. so Q4 then.
Soldato
You know that latency depends on page mode?
Intel Skylake (7-cpu.com)
Latency changes......
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Ian Cutress did a deep dive on ADL last year and cache latency
CPU Tests: Core-to-Core and Cache Latency, DDR4 vs DDR5 MLP - The Intel 12th Gen Core i9-12900K Review: Hybrid Performance Brings Hybrid Complexity (anandtech.com)
These new chips need very fast ram to keep the pipelines fed properly, granted they have a different approach, but both will benefit from fast DDR5,
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I really don’t care about gaming performance that much, but that comment was in reply to YOU stating that games don’t scale past 6 cores and single core performance was king. A statement that is pretty much wrong across all of the market. IIRC the general consensus was a 5900X would be a sensible choice, though you could make a case for the 5800X and 5950X.
I wouldn’t think so, most buyers are probably unaware of CPU specs.
You disagree?
Funny how some reason with the fastest cpu for gaming is coming from AMD and think only diehards buys it.
Plan ahead, its why I got the 5600x and then whenever amd would unleash the beast I had a Nice upgrade to look forward to and could wait for am5, ddr5 to mature and prices to drop as market has been a mess the last few years.
Love when a plan comes together
Soldato
It’s evident that CS:GO already fits in Zen 3 L3 cache as the 5800X3D offered no improvement.
Could see other games that hit memory access hard see large improvements particularly in the 1% lows.
Could see other games that hit memory access hard see large improvements particularly in the 1% lows.
If you take a look at csgo benches over the last few years with no CPUs it looks like csgo isn't particularly sensitive anymore to cache - the way you improve performance in csgo now is IPC, no other way than IPC
Anyone already on the 5000 series stands to gain very little from switching to the 5800X3D unless you game at 1080p on a 3090/6900XT and even then it will only be small margins on select games.Funny how some reason with the fastest cpu for gaming is coming from AMD and think only diehards buys it.
Plan ahead, its why I got the 5600x and then whenever amd would unleash the beast I had a Nice upgrade to look forward to and could wait for am5, ddr5 to mature and prices to drop as market has been a mess the last few years.
Love when a plan comes together
If 12th gen i9 prices remain at £500-£700, they could start to look like a joke if an 8 core Zen3D CPU can offer similar performance in games, for maybe £400-£450...
60 FPS (ideally minimum) is still what counts to most gamers, if it helps AMD to compete at this level, I'm sure it will do well.
Especially if these results are anything to go by:
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/01/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D-2.jpg
Might be able to get a little more out of it too, with a little overclocking.
I think the main disappointment with it, is that it doesn't use the 6nm fab. process like the 6000 series APUs, despite both releasing in H1 2022. I get the feeling AMD wants there to be a nice performance gap inbetween their 7nm CPUs and Zen4 on 5nm EUV, released in the same year.
It's very much designed to kill Alder Lake CPUs, AMD knows on desktop, the 12th gen's low power cores cores offer little performance benefit, so they are mostly competing with upto 8 high power cores.
In essence, more cache seems to go further than lower power cores (for their market).
60 FPS (ideally minimum) is still what counts to most gamers, if it helps AMD to compete at this level, I'm sure it will do well.
Especially if these results are anything to go by:
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/01/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D-2.jpg
Might be able to get a little more out of it too, with a little overclocking.
I think the main disappointment with it, is that it doesn't use the 6nm fab. process like the 6000 series APUs, despite both releasing in H1 2022. I get the feeling AMD wants there to be a nice performance gap inbetween their 7nm CPUs and Zen4 on 5nm EUV, released in the same year.
It's very much designed to kill Alder Lake CPUs, AMD knows on desktop, the 12th gen's low power cores cores offer little performance benefit, so they are mostly competing with upto 8 high power cores.
In essence, more cache seems to go further than lower power cores (for their market).
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Soldato
3D5800 is waste of sand as Steve from gn would say. Going by AMDs own dodgy benches it is on par in most titles lol, will get slaughtered in multicore apps by the 12700K that will offer similar gaming at 1080p with a 3090ti/6900xt 
never mind the 12900k.
never mind the 12900k.
It is fascinating to see how cache helps AMD to beat Intel in far cry, game that loves ADL, and in that game Alder Lake looks better when compared to other games, but with cache AMD is beating them. Quote from one review: "Far Cry 6 is another single core game and this one really favors the strong single core performance of Alder Lake. Even with the 65w power limit, the 12700 was 12% faster than the 5900X. Because the game is only leaning heavily on a single core, the 12700 can still clock very aggressively within that 65w power budget." You how now idea how much cache improve gaming performance, and far cry 6 isn't some small esport game.
3D5800 is waste of sand as Steve from gn would say. Going by AMDs own dodgy benches it is on par in most titles lol, will get slaughtered in multicore apps by the 12700K that will offer similar gaming at 1080p with a 3090ti/6900xt
Also, the 5800x3d is going to be very expensive, I believe it will be priced somewhere between the 5900x and 12900k, probably $600 usd for the 5800x3d
Soldato
^^ Did you get an engineering sample or just making that up based on your favourite team colour? How about, actually wait till the launch reviews *gasp*
i have a feeling pricing is going kill off the 5800x3d. costing more than a 5900x is a mistake.
6nm is a low power process. I think AMD want it’s CPU on the most appropriate node to free up capacity as best they can.