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AMD confirms Ryzen 7 5800X3D launches this spring, Zen4 Raphael in 2H 2022

humbug said:
That isn't the problem, its a problem but so long as you have 6 fast cores minimum you can run a fairly high end GPU from Nvidia and their software scheduler should not have an effect on your performance, its not something that i have noticed, tho i am only running a 2070 Super.n

You and i could quote an RX 5700XT out performing an RTX 3090 by 20% because of Nvidia's rather old fashioned scheduler but those are extreme purely academic cases, you shouldn't be running a Ryzen 1600 or a Core i5 8400 with anything above an RTX 3060, even that is pushing it.

The real problem is, and i'll keep saying this until Nvidia stop being Nvidia; the lack of VRam.
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If normally an "old" processor can power a decent card from AMD, but cannot from nVIDIA is nothing academic. There is no reason to why you must run a newer CPU due to less then ideal nVIDIA approach. :)
 
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Joxeon said:
Clearly the Vcache experiment on Zen 3 didn't go well for one reason or another as they showed it running on a 5900X at 4ghz and even done some benchmarks over 6 months ago yet what will be 9 months on its only releasing as a single 8 core product.
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You have one and been using it for a few weeks to have your opinion? or is it an unreleased cpu you have an opinion on?
 
humbug said:
I remember that, Intel: "you only need 4 cores" most tech journalists parrot: "you only need 4 cores" forums such as this "you only need.........."

Now the same thing is happening with GPU's, the first midrange 8GB GPU was launched in 2014, fast forward to 2021 and Nvidia are still churning out 8GB mid range GPU's, once again tech journalists are running defence for a $300 Billion company "U oNly nEed 8GB"

The thing is just as soon and AMD / Intel stopped messing about with 4 core mainstream CPU's games got more advanced and needed 6 fast cores minimum, the problem with these hardware vendors stagnating is the rest of the industry stagnate behind then, except the few who try to push it forward then get accused of "not optimising their game" mostly by Nvidia owners....
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Yes you only needed 4 cores at that time and guess what 4 years later you only need 6 cores. By the time you needed more than 4 cores your CPU was too old IPC wise to provide high fps. It's called being a smart buyer and not overspending on things you don't need like extra cores.

Same argument with VRAM by the time you run into memory bottlenecks your GPU is too old.
 
Epyc has most priority from AMD so ofcourse they will use 99% v-cache for them, and what's left goes to desktop. 5800x have only 1 ccx unlike 5900x so understable why they choose it. But what we know is that AMD can release 5900x-3d if they feel threatened by Intel, but gamers are most profitable, and they buy 8 core max, so from AMD standpoint it is better to save yields for EPYC. Using only cache they got back gaming crown with 1 year old architecture, Zen 4 will be completely new architecture, more optimised for 3d cache from the ground up, and combination of high IPC + 3dcache + 5ghz will make Intel sweat, RPL will have hard times.
 
Gondar said:
Using only cache they got back gaming crown with 1 year old architecture
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I'd wait for the independent benchmarks as even in AMDs own it showed a tie in 3 of the 6 games and besides this will be going up against the 12900KS by the time it's released not the K SKU.
 
Joxeon said:
I'd wait for the independent benchmarks as even in AMDs own it showed a tie in 3 of the 6 games and besides this will be going up against the 12900KS by the time it's released not the K SKU.
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Ah yes Intels answer to innovation, place more power and heat through a CPU in an effort to squeeze out some higher clocks
 
cliffy said:
Ah yes Intels answer to innovation, place more power and heat through a CPU in an effort to squeeze out some higher clocks
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If it works, I don't think "but power draw" will matter.

Intel currently has the performance crown. AMD's counterpunch is 3D Vcach. If Intel can block that with simple binning and turning the power knob, it makes sense to do that and call it a day.
 
NZXT30 said:
Yes you only needed 4 cores at that time and guess what 4 years later you only need 6 cores. By the time you needed more than 4 cores your CPU was too old IPC wise to provide high fps. It's called being a smart buyer and not overspending on things you don't need like extra cores.

Same argument with VRAM by the time you run into memory bottlenecks your GPU is too old.
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If you only have 4 core CPU's available people aren't going to develop better games to take advantage of more.
 
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