Should be, but I would imagine would only be for 5xx series chipsets
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Should be, but I would imagine would only be for 5xx series chipsets
AMD didn’t lockout any chipsets. It was down to motherboard makers to decide what products could support the newer chips and features within spec.
They tried to withhold support for 400 series but backed down after a backlash and then said it was up to board makers.
https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/the-exciting-future-of-amd-socket-am4/ba-p/414125
A notification was sent out with support requirements. Only a few boards met the full requirement, it was down to the motherboard manufacture to implement support.
You are wrong. ASRock outright said that AMD had told them to stop after they released those "unofficial" BIOSes for some of their 300-series boards.
https://wccftech.com/amd-warns-moth...en-5000-desktop-cpu-bios-support-on-am4-x370/
AMD told them some to stop because people had terrible experiences with PCIE-4 over gen 3 on some boards.
ASRock only have a few board that meet the requirements.
Maybe AMD should enforce stricter standards with manufacturers TBH.
That's nonsense. Zen 3 chips don't support PCIe 4.0 on 400-series boards either. AMD simply had motherboard manufacturers disable it, not drop support for the boards entirely. The 300-series boards weren't supported because AMD didn't want them to be. Trying to pin it on the motherboard manufacturers is just fanboy deflection. You are just making things up.
My board can run gen 4 SSD’s I wouldn’t be sure of data integrity.
You are one the worst fanboys here. Just buy Intel, you’ll PCI-E 5 and at least 12 months of CPU support.
Ah yes, I must be a fanboy for pointing out that you're wrong and talking complete nonsense, and making wild claims about how ASRock's bottom of the barrel A320 boards are somehow technically superior to a Crosshair VI Extreme based on some mythical, unpublished AMD guidelines that nobody has ever seen. Despite ASRock letting the cat out of the bag and saying they were told by AMD to stop offering 300-series support, and that being confirmed privately by other motherboard manufacturers.
I own a 5800X, by the way. Off you go now, before you embarrass yourself further.
And yet he's not making things up.
The entire support thing was a **** show because AMD couldn't fully realise their intention of multi-generation support because of motherboard vendors taking shortcuts. And you can't blame mobo vendors, either. Why should they invest bazillions in R&D on a new AMD platform that is totally unproven? Especially when AMD had been stuck with Faildozer for donkey's? So a lot of AMD's requirements for multi-generational support were simply not implemented by vendors in the 300 series.
Then, not every vendor did things properly with 400 series boards. Ryzen was a proven commodity so less R&D risk involved, but the likes of Asus flatout refused to put the required kit into anything lower than top-end Crosshair boards, the likes of Gigabyte refused to be decent power delivery on anything below the top boards, and pretty much everybody skimped out with the tiny 16Mb BIOS, which is the principle issue. The reason? Multi-generational support does not sell products year on year. Hell, the only reason MSI revisited the Tomahawk and Mortar lines with the bigger BIOS was for marketing kudos.
The only reason AMD tried to shut out anything earlier than 500 series boards was because of the nightmare compatibility minefield. They literally couldn't achieve what they wanted to achieve because of how mobo vendors had built the ecosystem. So instead of creating a massive bad reputation by having every non-techie Tom, Dick and Harry crying because their specific combination of CPU and mobo didn't work when AMD said it would do, AMD were forced into just going "sorry, this is a **** show, 500 series or nothing". But that in turn caused much crying of a different type so AMD went back on it, allowing vendors to make their own minds up. Any decision to not support Ryzen 3000 and PCIe 4 on 400 series chipsets was down to the mobo vendor, not AMD.
This is why AMD had to tell Asrock to stop. They were the only vendor who built 300 series boards correctly, but it is because they'd be the only vendor to do so Asrock become a fringe case and opens up a massive can of PR worms AMD just didn't want to deal with. They're trying to rebuild mindshare, remember? Literally everything since 2016 has been an uphill battle, and there are some hills just not worth dying on.
Ultimately you actually can pin the entire fiasco on the motherboard vendors. That's not "fanboy deflection" it's fact, and only idiots, the ill-informed or counter-fanboys would have the misplaced gumption to claim otherwise. But you also can't actually entirely blame the motherboard vendors for it because why would they want to A: invest a load of money into a multi-generational platform that is unproven, and B: give customers the ability to keep their motherboards for multiple CPU releases and not buy anything new?
AMD has confirmed that CEO Dr. Lisa Su will host their product premiere livestream event at 10 a.m. EST on the 4th Jan 2022 at AMD.com.
https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...o-host-2022-product-premiere-livestream-event
https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...o-host-2022-product-premiere-livestream-event
I think AMD will become more stringent with AM5 TBH. Setting out standard BIOS sizes, memory signalling and topology tracing specs would remove many issues for future support. The ability to perform a BIOS update without a CPU would probably be a good idea too.
It's more likely they will follow Intel and change to a two CPU cycle for supporting boards especially now they have the mindshare.
It was not motherboard vendors decision is was AMDs and here's what they said.
This is an error we are correcting. Pre-X570 boards will not support PCIe Gen 4. There's no guarantee that older motherboards can reliably run the more stringent signaling requirements of Gen4, and we simply cannot have a mix of "yes, no, maybe" in the market for all the older motherboards. The potential for confusion is too high.
When final BIOSes are released for 3rd Gen Ryzen (AGESA 1000+), Gen4 will not be an option anymore. We wish we could've enabled this backwards, but the risk is too great.
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So you was fully aware what I said was correct.
Maybe you could post the rest of what AMD said also…
That was the full quote from Robert Hallock so straight from the horses mouth.
Thats one part. Pretty sure you are fully aware though.
It's a shame they didn't just add the option to turn on PCIe gen 4.0 in the bios but with a warning that the board may not function correctly so experienced users had the choice and while some of it may have been to prevent confusion and issues it was inevitably and great way to upsell the expensive X570 boards at a time when there was no B550s providing a cheaper route towards PCIe gen 4.0.
Going forward I can't see 400 series boards getting zen3+/3D but I'm not really bothered as I doubt it's going to be much of an upgrade over vanilla zen 3 anyway atleast for 1440p gaming and I'd rather save towards a full overhaul in a couple of years when DDR5 systems have settled in although the people who would benefit the most from these new AM4 chips are those on the older 3/400 boards running zen/+/zen2 as I wouldn't fancy shelling out on a new board now for what will be an EOL platform.
Going forward I can't see 400 series boards getting zen3+/3D but I'm not really bothered as I doubt it's going to be much of an upgrade over vanilla zen 3 anyway atleast for 1440p gaming and I'd rather save towards a full overhaul in a couple of years when DDR5 systems have settled in although the people who would benefit the most from these new AM4 chips are those on the older 3/400 boards running zen/+/zen2 as I wouldn't fancy shelling out on a new board now for what will be an EOL platform.