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AMD demonstrates Ryzen 9 5900X prototype with 3D V-Cache stack chiplet design
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Intels success in 2023 will depend on if Pat and TSMC can come to a deal on pushing the competition out the 3nm node. That success will only perceived as success though. In reality that will be 3nm low power CPU’s with Integrated graphics and Intel ARC GPU’s for Ponte Vecchio.
Soldato
No it's not, don't you start talking the same nonsense as Dave2510.
Zen 4 is end of 2022. Meteor Lake is end of 2023. Zen 4 is going up against whatever Intel release end of 2022 to keep investors happy because Intel must release something every 12 months.
Soldato
So Intel once again think (dirty) money talks!
Guess it does, or more precisely: "money doesn't talk, it swears!".
Well unless TSMC look at things a bit more long-term and consider Intel to be an unreliable long-term partner. Who unfortunately has powerful political friends so I guess TSMC will roll over
Never said it would release 'on time' to go up against Zen 4. Availability of Zen 4 desktop will probably be Q1 2023, unless we hear otherwise from AMD.
Soldato
Now now, Intel keep sockets for a while. Whether the annual CPU and chipset releases retain compatibility is an entirely different matter...and a new socket?
..and a new socket?
Everyone loves a new Intel socket.
Soldato
AMD said back in July "sometime in 2022", and haven't said anything else since. If that "sometime" is a paper launch this time next year then yes, actual availability will be Q1 2023. Which I don't believe for a minute, because AMD are simply not going to run with Zen 3 v cache for an entire year and allow Intel to win back performance numbers and mindshare.
No, you're saying Meteor Lake is moving forward by an entire year.
Please stop, Dave2510, 4K8KW10 and others already post enough nonsense, we don't need another regular contributor to the bull manure pile.
So Intel once again think (dirty) money talks!
Guess it does, or more precisely: "money doesn't talk, it swears!".
Well unless TSMC look at things a bit more long-term and consider Intel to be an unreliable long-term partner. Who unfortunately has powerful political friends so I guess TSMC will roll over
Pat: So tell me how much do you charge to screw over Apple, AMD and Nvidia for 24 months.
Until Intel can flush out a full product stake produces them in its own fabs AMD will keep increasing the lead.
Soldato
Yeah I am with this, I mean intel has done a better job of late because they have to pull out as many stops as possible but its gonna be about then that it can retake any lead.
If i get 1$ for every Intel plan i would be billionaire, no one serious is taking Intel plans seriously, and Meteor Lake will fight against Zen 5, Raptor Lake will fight against Zen 4., and Meteor Lake, or even Raptor Lake would be last big/little cpu, i hope that idea of big/little in desktop dies permanently.
AMD's roadmap doesn't mention Zen 4 desktop CPUs. Until it does, there's no reason to think they will release these in 2022. However, the server CPUs are scheduled for the end of 2022 on a recent roadmap.
Because they put Zen 4 on the roadmap below at the end of 2022, everyone assumes it will be ready by then, and discounts the possibility of a delay, or that they weren't talking about desktop CPUs. Roadmap:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5yckVV25DmQ9Dp3PwEiuMb.jpg
Where is the evidence AMD has the capability to release 5nm EUV CPUs at scale in 2022?
Why would they release a new desktop series, then later in the same year, release another one? They didn't do this with previous zen generations.
For Meteor Lake, according to Anandtech, the Intel 4 process is scheduled for production between Q3 2022 -Q2 2023. That's the process Meteor Lake uses. Link here:
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16823/AnandTechRoadmaps3.png
Because they put Zen 4 on the roadmap below at the end of 2022, everyone assumes it will be ready by then, and discounts the possibility of a delay, or that they weren't talking about desktop CPUs. Roadmap:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/5yckVV25DmQ9Dp3PwEiuMb.jpg
Where is the evidence AMD has the capability to release 5nm EUV CPUs at scale in 2022?
Why would they release a new desktop series, then later in the same year, release another one? They didn't do this with previous zen generations.
For Meteor Lake, according to Anandtech, the Intel 4 process is scheduled for production between Q3 2022 -Q2 2023. That's the process Meteor Lake uses. Link here:
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16823/AnandTechRoadmaps3.png
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Intel tweeted this too "Meteor Lake, a breakthrough 2023 client processor"
https://twitter.com/intelnews/statu...nt-architecture-meteor-lake-to-launch-in-2023
So, they've been fairly clear about it so far.
https://twitter.com/intelnews/statu...nt-architecture-meteor-lake-to-launch-in-2023
So, they've been fairly clear about it so far.
Soldato
So Robert Hallock confirming a new desktop platform for 2022 in the "5 Years Of Ryzen" video doesn't mean anything because the roadmap doesn't say so? AMD are going to release a new platform in 2022, but not bother with actual CPUs until 2023? Yeah, OK.
Apple is the evidence, more specifically TSMC have been producing 5nm EUV products for Apple for christ knows how long.
For crying out loud man, are you just trolling now? They literally did it last year! Ryzen 3000 XT was released July, Ryzen 5000 was released October.
Intel can schedule whatever the hell they want, they don't exactly have a reliable track record when it comes to their manufacturing processes, do they.
Lol, wait for a full announcement, there's hardly a desperate need to release Zen 4 desktop CPUs next year. We haven't even seen the V-Cache CPUs yet, bit early to judge.
I think the top model will be about on par with Intel's top Alder Lake CPU.
Zen 2 was released in 2019, Zen 3 in 2020.
I think the top model will be about on par with Intel's top Alder Lake CPU.
Zen 2 was released in 2019, Zen 3 in 2020.
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Soldato
What's with the lol's all the time? Very trollish IMO.
Soldato
This is what happens when your ill-founded and vapid claims are shot down with actual facts. The only retort you have is "lol"