Maybe 3D stacking is not worth it. Those gains in the very first post on page 1 are in the same ballpark as an ordinary generational architecture update.
So, why bother for an 1-time performance improvement?
I understand why they got rid of it.
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AMD demonstrates Ryzen 9 5900X prototype with 3D V-Cache stack chiplet design
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Maybe 3D stacking is not worth it. Those gains in the very first post on page 1 are in the same ballpark as an ordinary generational architecture update.
So, why bother for an 1-time performance improvement?
I understand why they got rid of it.
6-25% performance gain isn’t typical for Intel.
Intel know what AMD have in the pipeline. Intel’s strategy is the graphics market. Intel can gain a lot more traction while avoiding directly competing with AMD. It’s a much easier market for Intel to operate in and get a much needed marketing win.
Intel will always have the lions share of the CPU market regardless.
I think that's the issue as it increases the complexity and costs going forward with every new architecture so maybe Intel want to delay until these have come down as once its implemented it's differcult to remove as it'll take away some performance.
It is typical. Alder Lake will prove. It's 15% on average. Quite mediocre, TBH.
It looks like that Intel's future products are stronger than AMD's:
Alder Lake 2021
Raptor Lake 2022
Meteor Lake 2023
Arrow Lake 2023
Lunar Lake 2024
Nova Lake 2025
I haven't heard about anything impressive in the AMD's pipeline.
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It is typical. Alder Lake will prove. It's 15% on average. Quite mediocre, TBH.
It looks like that Intel's future products are stronger than AMD's:
Alder Lake 2021
Raptor Lake 2022
Meteor Lake 2023
Arrow Lake 2023
Lunar Lake 2024
Nova Lake 2025
I haven't heard about anything impressive in the AMD's pipeline.
AMD have three impressive CPU products coming soon. They are called Ryzen, Threadripper and EPYC. Check them out, most people consider them revolutionary.
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It is typical. Alder Lake will prove. It's 15% on average. Quite mediocre, TBH.
It looks like that Intel's future products are stronger than AMD's:
Alder Lake 2021
Raptor Lake 2022
Meteor Lake 2023
Arrow Lake 2023
Lunar Lake 2024
Nova Lake 2025
I haven't heard about anything impressive in the AMD's pipeline.
All Intel do is make a lot of noise so people like you can be impressed by it, 90% of the time it amounts to absolutely nothing.
Intel shows that it is working on the future generations. It will take some time but Alder Lake is the first step towards significant performance improvements.
So, again, what did exactly AMD show and when will it offer anything new?
You know Intel has had tremendous problems with its manufacturing arm, and AMD is lucky enough to sold out its manufacturing a decade ago.
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That’s not even an official roadmap.
Intel have been so poor recently that not even an official roadmap inspires any confidence.
AMD have spoken about Zen 4 and based on how they have delivered recently, they aren’t the ones I would be concerned about.
The irony is that this "alleged" roadmap has higher chance to become reality than an official one that could get any types of push backs.
And the last CPU AMD will ever make is Zen 5? Listen to yourself.
Look, if Intel gives Nova Lake with 100% performance improvement over Rocket Lake, while AMD gives Zen 5 with miserable 35% performance increase over Zen 3, then what's better?
Well seeing AMD are approaching 2.5 the performance of Intel, then… 2.5x 38, … 12 carry the 4 … AMD are 170% ahead.
Can you stop sucking down on Intel's hollow words? You're even more of an embarrassment than usual.
Where is this "Zen 5 gives 35% increase over Zen 3" tripe coming from? Or are you just making it up in the absence of anything logical or intelligent to say?
And what if Nova Lake doesn't give 100% over Rocket Lake? Will you shut up and return to your idiot corner?
The troll above ^^^^ again shouts
No he's right and so is @jigger
Right now on Mainsteam AMD are about 80% ahead, 5950X vs 11900K.
If Intel are not 100% ahead of the 5950X in 2025 they will be a smaller company than they are now by that time because AMD will be.
Think about it, this is why Intel make these idiotic roadmaps, they are for people like you.
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Care to enlighten me on exactly how I'm trolling? I don't think you know what "troll" means in this context. Which is deliciously ironic given you're the shining example of it.The troll above ^^^^ again shouts