AMD FX-4170 Gaming build, Nvida GPU, Watercooling

[james.miller]

When take into consideration the whole of his opening post, and not just a selected line ,ie " What do you think of these parts" I took it to mean the advice/opinion he was asking was would there be any conflicts in the components chosen. not vilify my choice and castigate me from the forum/thread.

Well, if i were asking that question myself, then i would be asking not only if the components work together, but also is this the best way to spend my 900 quid. I would expect people to give me an honest answer, not beat around the bush afraid they might insult me type answers. I mean, it's £900 - I'm not filthy rich and if i'm not spending that money the best way then I want to know.

If he had any sense whatsoever he would not post on this forum regards bulldozer because he will receive no help or information that is useful which is a shame because having already chosen it I doubt very much he will be as disappointed as some would like.

Firstly i don't agree that he wont get help. That's really not true at all. secondly I've no doubt he wont be disappointed. I don't think he can be - he's already made people aware that BD was his choice and that's what he's sticking with. Only if he accepts that it's a poor choice and reconsiders it would he possibly be disappointed about it.

unless he spends more time using synthetic benchmarks and watching fraps than he does actually playing games in his chosen resolution/gpu/monitor set up that is, or worrying what could have been.

Different mentality i guess. It's that £900 thing again.

 

[scwba06]

When take into consideration the whole of his opening post, and not just a selected line ,ie " What do you think of these parts" I took it to mean the advice/opinion he was asking was would there be any conflicts in the components chosen. not vilify my choice and castigate me from the forum/thread.If he had any sense whatsoever he would not post on this forum regards bulldozer because he will receive no help or information that is useful which is a shame because having already chosen it I doubt very much he will be as disappointed as some would like. unless he spends more time using synthetic benchmarks and watching fraps than he does actually playing games in his chosen resolution/gpu/monitor set up that is, or worrying what could have been.

Your clutching at straws now ghost, if I write some terms and conditions and then write my name in invisible ink in the corner of the 6th page that's still a legally binding contract. OP asked people's opinions at the end of his post. He got balanced opinions warning him to steer clear of that awful CpU and mobo and go for the better, CHEAPER intel alternative. If that isn't blind fanboyism in the face of constructive and reasonable advice I don't know what is. If I came on this forum and said I'm buying a polished turd for £3k I'd expect to be ridiculed. That is what OP has done and now your backing him just for arguements sake, let it drop you are never going to win this one

 

[ghost12]

Hello,

Below you will see a list of parts I have ordered from Overclockers.co.uk hoping to arrive 6th-August to 10th-August.

CPU: AMD FX-4170 4.2ghz AM3+
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-319-AM

Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional AMD 990FX
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-071-AK

Case: NZXT Phantom Enthusiast USB3.0 Full Tower Case - Red/White
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-027-NX

Graphics Card: Asus GeForce GTX 560Ti DirectCU II TOP 2048MB
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-279-AS

RAM: Patriot Viper Xtreme 8GB (2x4GB)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-052-PA

Cooling: Corsair Hydro H80
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-008-CS

Fans to replace loud H80 ones: Scythe Gentle Typhoon
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-030-SY

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-257-SE

PSU: Xigmatek Centauro 800W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-048-XG

Optical Drive: OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black)
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-099-LG

Order Total: £921.32

I have also aquired; Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste, PCI-e Wifi N Network Card, Microsoft 800 Wireless Keyboard and mouse combo (Temp until i can save for something better)

What is everyone's opinions on these parts?
Bearing in mind I have already ordered them and as far as I am aware through research they are all compatible.

Also any tips on problems I may come across and how to solve them?

I am not looking in to overclocking the CPU for a while as if I were to overclock it now that will be all the performance I would get out of it, I would rather do it after a few months so it feels like a new machine.

All of the parts I have listed I have researched and looked at reviews. Also they were picked on ability to upgrade in the future. I originally was looking for a single 8Gb DDR3 Dimm but they are hard to find at reasonable costs.

Some very decent rig parts there oliver. I would be interested to know how you get on with temps with the h80. I bought an antec 620 and for the fx4170 it stays well within temps up to around 4.5 I find under prime 95 stress. The antec was no good whatsoever with the fx8120 though when overclocked as the 8120 is a different beast to the fx4170 in real use. For my fx8120 I now use a corsair h100 and under full load its more than enough even at my oc of 4.6. I have four x 120mm fans in push pull config though and a 220mm side panel fan on my case so have no heat issues whatsoever.

 

[ghost12]

Your clutching at straws now ghost, if I write some terms and conditions and then write my name in invisible ink in the corner of the 6th page that's still a legally binding contract. OP asked people's opinions at the end of his post. He got balanced opinions warning him to steer clear of that awful CpU and mobo and go for the better, CHEAPER intel alternative. If that isn't blind fanboyism in the face of constructive and reasonable advice I don't know what is. If I came on this forum and said I'm buying a polished turd for £3k I'd expect to be ridiculed. That is what OP has done and now your backing him just for arguements sake, let it drop you are never going to win this one

I agree with a lot of what is being said and I am a bulldozer owner. my point is the deal was done, he clearly stated several times throughout his initial posts that he wanted the choices he made, that he wasn't going to change his mind, which made me think it was a flame thread considering the bulldozer views on this forum, but all I am doing is taking him at face value that his posts and thread are genuine, now backed up by build photos.. I think considering those facts, we as a community could be more helpful with information relating to the performance components of his choice. it was not a spec me a build thread. There is no need for every amd build or discussion regards amd to be even mentioned with intel when the forum member has already made his choice and purchase. Pass on your knowledge now and expertise on how to utilise his system to the fullest. Or should he just go away quietly as the great un-informed

 

[Martini1991]

But he's still within DSR time frame, or at least was at the time before the revival.
Telling him to DSR and rebuild is the most useful and helpful suggestion anyone can make. Period.
You can't make a mid range 2010 GPU and a CPU with sub 2008 IPC compare with an equally priced rig today.

I don't see how anyone could engage in discussion that intends to help him without enforcing the above points.

I don't agree he'll be disappointed, that's the denial kicking in, with a lot of the Bulldozer gaming rigs I assume.
I get the "It runs fine" but I've seen frame rate dips on better Phenom II's, unless the definition of fine is console standard frame rates, then yeah sure, it runs fine.
Obviously, some games you can't tell the difference between an FX8 and a 5GHZ 2500k, the Dirt games are some very good examples which run both brilliantly and look brilliant.
But the figures speak for themselves. I don't want to hear the "real life performance" argument as measuring the frame rates to analyse that the i5 is running rings around the FX is real world performance.

Even then, the OP had suggestions of FX8 rigs. It wasn't the fact it was an AMD build, it was the fact is was a 900 quid FX4 build.

My friend ran a Phenom II X4 955 and was getting so frustrated with his frame rate dips and the bottlenecking of his 7950 he "upgraded" to an i3 2120, he gets better gaming performance (Worse everything else though such as sata connections/USB 3.0 support etc)
He was getting 43 average with the Phenom II X4 and 7950 in DOWII at 1920x1080, that's what my brother gets with a pentium G620 and 6850 at 1680x1050, my friend now gets 62 FPS average.

 

[ghost12]

But he's still within DSR time frame, or at least was at the time before the revival.
Telling him to DSR and rebuild is the most useful and helpful suggestion anyone can make. Period.
You can't make a mid range 2010 GPU and a CPU with sub 2008 IPC compare with an equally priced rig today.

I don't see how anyone could engage in discussion that intends to help him without enforcing the above points.

I don't agree he'll be disappointed, that's the denial kicking in, with a lot of the Bulldozer gaming rigs I assume.
I get the "It runs fine" but I've seen frame rate dips on better Phenom II's, unless the definition of fine is console standard frame rates, then yeah sure, it runs fine.
Obviously, some games you can't tell the difference between an FX8 and a 5GHZ 2500k, the Dirt games are some very good examples which run both brilliantly and look brilliant.
But the figures speak for themselves. I don't want to hear the "real life performance" argument as measuring the frame rates to analyse that the i5 is running rings around the FX is real world performance.

My friend ran a Phenom II X4 955 and was getting so frustrated with his frame rate dips and the bottlenecking of his 7950 he "upgraded" to an i3 2120, he gets better gaming performance (Worse everything else though such as sata connections/USB 3.0 support etc)
He was getting 43 average with the Phenom II X4 and 7950 in DOWII at 1920x1080, that's what my brother gets with a pentium G620 and 6850 at 1680x1050, my friend now gets 62 FPS average.

Again I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying but the performance is relative to the use of the op. Is minimum 60 fps not considered an acceptable performance in dirt showdown? I cant speak for the op game preference but in relation to the games intel users constantly throw in the mix, ie cpu single threaded intensive games such as civ v and shogun and others they are completely irrelative to someone whom doesnt play them and probably never will. I for one are one of those people. So for people to ram down my throat how poorly my cpu performs when the main game I play would be bf3, dirt showdown and mw3 is ridiculous because the performance in those mentioned games is more than acceptable in my current gpu/monitor set up. I am really looking forward to modern warfighter next and for an absolute fact my fx8120 combo will perform very well in that too

 

[Martini1991]

If you only play those 3 games, I wouldn't have an i5 or an FX8

Obviously some games are perfectly more than adequate, and 60 FPS min is good, and more than plausible in Dirt 3.

 

[ghost12]

If you only play those 3 games, I wouldn't have an i5 or an FX8

Obviously some games are perfectly more than adequate, and 60 FPS min is good, and more than plausible in Dirt 3.

At last we agree on something. peace is restored. in all seriousness though what is your opinion on the way games are moving. Do you think that they will become more multi threaded in the main and gpu dependant? With the knowledge that warfighter is using frostbite 2 we can assume all that franchise, ie battlefield bc and battlefield will continue in that vain what do you think massive multiplayer and other franchises will do in the coming years. surely single threaded games and architecture will become a thing of the past. rendering a lot of these cpu arguments non important

 

[Martini1991]

I think by the time that we need more than 4 cores Intel will have done something about it.
They can go 6 cores mainstream anytime, but then we'll still have the IPC argument.
When we have 2 core budget CPU's being able to outgame quad core CPU's at this present day, we have a long time before anything will change.
Bearing in mind this talk has been going on for years.

A game that can use 4 cores is multi threaded, but IPC still impacts it, we'll get to the point that IPC is still important.

That will always continue in my honest opinion.
IPC will always be key, unless everything ever made is highly multi threaded to a point where we've got twice as many cores needed and able to be used even with the lowest IPC.

Also, stuff like PCSX2 isn't magically going to become massively multithreaded, so IPC is always and will always be needed for it, same with Dolphin etc.

 

[scwba06]

In theory the bulldozer sounds like a better concept than any of intels offerings, AMDs bigger is better ideal would be awesome if technology had stopped advancing 2 years ago. It is a shame because if intel had thrown their technology into the power that the BD 8core has it would be one hell of a CPU. The difference between Amd and Nvidea GPUs is negligible and depends on your budget and what games you play but those components seem to have the most unreasonable types of fanboyism in almost every thread. It's just accepted that intel offer best bang for buck in this gen and that's why the majority of people can't comprehend someone blindly going for amd when an intel build will outperform and last longer for cheaper. There's no real flaming or intel fanboyism in regards to CPUs on this forum

 

[ghost12]

In theory the bulldozer sounds like a better concept than any of intels offerings, AMDs bigger is better ideal would be awesome if technology had stopped advancing 2 years ago. It is a shame because if intel had thrown their technology into the power that the BD 8core has it would be one hell of a CPU. The difference between Amd and Nvidea GPUs is negligible and depends on your budget and what games you play but those components seem to have the most unreasonable types of fanboyism in almost every thread. It's just accepted that intel offer best bang for buck in this gen and that's why the majority of people can't comprehend someone blindly going for amd when an intel build will outperform and last longer for cheaper. There's no real flaming or intel fanboyism in regards to CPUs on this forum

its just some of those comments that raise the temp of the discussion. I can assure you im not blind, its the way sometimes the comments are delivered in a less than constructive manner. I am not tied by budget. if I wanted a high end intel build I could order one right now on this site. I chose to try this system and in my personal use its great. if the situation comes when I feel it doesnt meet my expectations I will replace it and give it my 9 year old son. simple as that. I just think the knowledge base on here and expertise is sometimes wasted for the diminished view of someones personal choice. I enjoy brain picking on here, there is a lot of skill from this forum, I just think some of it is less than required

 

[scrlk]

As I have stated before, we are a friendly bunch - we just want people to get the best for their money and as a result, we might seem forceful. Of course, personal choice is great but if you make what people perceive to be an illogical choice, do expect to get stick for it.

 

[nick.lidgett]

To the OP,

When i joined this forum it was after i had ordered all my parts from OCUK,

My first ever thread was called "8150 world record!!!! i can't wait for my Bulldozer". It caused quite a stir.

Here is the link; http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18337528 LMFAO

Without so much as a **** you, i was jumped on left, right and center bashing me, calling me a troll, some being nice and some being ******s.

Its a near carbon copy to this thread, but do you know what???

Spoiler

THE GEEKS WERE RIGHT

Can you guess what i did???

Spoiler

Cancelled the cpu and mobo and re-ordered a 2600k and a suitable mobo

which if you had any sense you would have done, you cant seriously be happy spending £900 to achieve this http://3dmark.com/3dm11/4068266

Yeah it hurt to admit i was wrong and yes i had to swallow my pride and go crawling back to the same people i called intel fan boys and worse when my next problem occured, but do you know what i have absolutely no regrets my pc (thanks to these guys) rocks.

I hope youre happy with your computer mate, i hope you dont live to regret it.

 

[ghost12]

To the OP,

When i joined this forum it was after i had ordered all my parts from OCUK,

My first ever thread was called "8150 world record!!!! i can't wait for my Bulldozer". It caused quite a stir.

Here is the link; http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18337528 LMFAO

Without so much as a **** you, i was jumped on left, right and center bashing me, calling me a troll, some being nice and some being ******s.

Its a near carbon copy to this thread, but do you know what???

Spoiler

THE GEEKS WERE RIGHT

Can you guess what i did???

Spoiler

Cancelled the cpu and mobo and re-ordered a 2600k and a suitable mobo

which if you had any sense you would have done, you cant seriously be happy spending £900 to achieve this http://3dmark.com/3dm11/4068266

Yeah it hurt to admit i was wrong and yes i had to swallow my pride and go crawling back to the same people i called intel fan boys and worse when my next problem occured, but do you know what i have absolutely no regrets my pc (thanks to these guys) rocks.

I hope youre happy with your computer mate, i hope you dont live to regret it.

wow is all I can say. I have just read all the quotes you made on that thread. what an embarrassment. you hadn't even had your chip delivered. using that nonsense as somehow justification to influence the op in this thread is ridiculous. its possibly the worst thread I have ever read with no informative or reasonable argument from yourself. and if any of the posters on this thread read it im sure they will agree. the world has gone mad, ive gone mad. I really don't know which

 

[Allnamestaken]

LOL...

Just saw this go for £225 in the members market practicaly brand new items and hes already selling them...

AMD - FX 8120, Retail (3 months old)
Asus Sabertooth 990 FX
8Gb (2x 4Gb) Dual Channel Kit Ripjaws X Blue
Antec Kuhler H20 620


And your spending Near £1000 on a sub par setup including all the other bits n bobs and on finance.

You should have came here first and asked for advice mate you made some real bad choices here and you over spent drasticly on a piece of poop.

 

[JGStonedRaider]

True fanboyism

My OC'd Phenom x4 & OC'd 5870 will give it a good run for it's money.

Hahaha I have an Phenom II X6 + GTX580 which I got for less and will destroy that...Not that I can't wait to swap the Crossfire V out for a Maximus Gene + 3570K.

Doing a watercooled build on wednesday..Then save up for intel...Y o Y did I get this chip 3 weeks before my mobo blew..Coulda been intel since Feb 12

 

[Martini1991]

LOL...

Just saw this go for £225 in the members market practicaly brand new items and hes already selling them...

AMD - FX 8120, Retail (3 months old)
Asus Sabertooth 990 FX
8Gb (2x 4Gb) Dual Channel Kit Ripjaws X Blue
Antec Kuhler H20 620


And your spending Near £1000 on a sub par setup including all the other bits n bobs and on finance.

You should have came here first and asked for advice mate you made some real bad choices here and you over spent drasticly on a piece of poop.

Surprised it sold for so much tbh.

 

[nick.lidgett]

wow is all I can say. I have just read all the quotes you made on that thread. what an embarrassment. you hadn't even had your chip delivered. using that nonsense as somehow justification to influence the op in this thread is ridiculous. its possibly the worst thread I have ever read with no informative or reasonable argument from yourself. and if any of the posters on this thread read it im sure they will agree. the world has gone mad, ive gone mad. I really don't know which

So you start picking holes in my input now because you are losing your skirmish further up the thread???

I posted my thread to show the OP i was in EXACTLY the same position as him, the threads are near enough identical all the to-ing and fro-ing, but unlike the OP in this thread, i was sensible and man enough to realize my mistake, swallow my pride, listen to the members who gave sound advice and do something about it. Now im not ashamed of posting that thread, if anything its an example these forums work.
Thanks to these guys i didnt lay out all that cash for nothing, thanks to these guys i have an awesome 2600k rig that will last a very long time.

We all learn by are mistakes Ghost, i learnt from mine, just in time btw and im sure he will learn from his.

 

[OliverDavis]

Some very decent rig parts there oliver. I would be interested to know how you get on with temps with the h80. I bought an antec 620 and for the fx4170 it stays well within temps up to around 4.5 I find under prime 95 stress. The antec was no good whatsoever with the fx8120 though when overclocked as the 8120 is a different beast to the fx4170 in real use. For my fx8120 I now use a corsair h100 and under full load its more than enough even at my oc of 4.6. I have four x 120mm fans in push pull config though and a 220mm side panel fan on my case so have no heat issues whatsoever.

Ah thanks, I shall Benchmark with DiRT Showdown tonight for you as soon as I get in from work. I don't play the game much as I have bought my self a few other games recently.

Sorry for the inactivity, I have been on holiday in the last week.

As for cooling temps I also have the processor up to 4.5Ghz (couldn't justify the temperatures at 5Ghz) and on load (Prime 95) I only get 2'C higher then standard clock.

Here is a list of all the games I have and play on 1080p with maximum graphic settings (Ultra if supported) (Custom with everything up full) with 60+ frames per second;

Skyrim

DiRT Showdown

GTA IV + EFLC (Bought complete GTA Pack from Steam with every GTA PC game for £19.99 (includes EFLC, IV, SA, VC, III, II, I) even though GTA IV was £19.99 also?)

Off-Road Driving (Only game of its kind, google it!)

Batman Arkham Asylum (Girlfriend plays it and the PhysX Feature is awesome!)

Batman Arkham City (Again girlfriend mainly plays)

Microsoft Flight Simulator X (Little brother wants to be in the RAF so he plays it occasionally)

Minecraft (I know its not demanding, I just like building... )

Serious Sam HD (Was gifted it by a friend, played for 10 mins, don't really like it)

Team Fortress 2 (Mainly girlfriend plays it as to be honest I am terrible...)


Thanks for the support Ghost12, finally a reply that i was looking for and it only took 9 pages....

 

[OliverDavis]

Xbox Gaming Receiver in. Routed through the case.

If I have time i will add to first page!