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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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https://twitter.com/realmemes6/status/1266008658393120769
Lisa Su interviewed about 5nm. Interesting response.
Basically she indicated that 5nm will come after mobile

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Recently, Samsung’s new processor Exynos 1000 has been leaked. Unlike other Samsung processors, this processor uses RDNA GPU technology. RDNA GPU technology was authorized by Samsung in June last year and will replace the existing Mali GPU.
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The Exynos 1000 is expected to be released at the end of this year or early next year and will use a 5nm process.
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https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/05/exynos-1000-to-be-3-times-faster-than-snapdragon-865/
 
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Qualcomm will be sweating buckets at that news. If battery life is there along with performance, we may see AMD GPUs in all high end android smartphones from 2022.

Potentially even Apple may decide to work with them.
 
LePhuronn said:
Except DLSS performs better with more Tensor cores, so the cards that would benefit from it the most don't have sufficient hardware to utilise it.
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I suppose that is one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that as long as there is even a small amount of performance to be had it's a win for the consumer. Anyway, I see your point :) .
 
Phixsator said:
I suppose that is one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say that as long as there is even a small amount of performance to be had it's a win for the consumer. Anyway, I see your point :) .
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Actually, The performance of DLSS 2.0 doesn't seem to scale with the number of tensor cores. The % performance gains are roughly the same no matter which GPU you use but lower end GPUs seem to get the biggest performance gains from using DLSS 2.0.

For example Minecraft RTX, the 2080Ti gets a 57% boost from DLSS 2. The 2060 gets a 64% boost.

This is the same in other DLSS 2.0 games.

I understand where Lepuronn was coming from though, because that's the way the original DLSS worked.
 
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TNA said:
No. Simples really :p

Hell, I would be super happy if they even manage it on a large die!

What I do think is possible and would like to see is these smaller die’s bringing around 2080Ti performance for around £400. Remember, these are new architectures, so there will be performance gain there also, so it is very possible.
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haha, yes it is simples :)

I don't think you are going to get your wish though. Basing it on the Xbox series X comparison to the 2080 and the price of the 5700XT. I don't see you getting 2080Ti performance for £400. I am guessing over £500.

Hope I am wrong.
 
melmac said:
haha, yes it is simples :)

I don't think you are going to get your wish though. Basing it on the Xbox series X comparison to the 2080 and the price of the 5700XT. I don't see you getting 2080Ti performance for £400. I am guessing over £500.

Hope I am wrong.
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Yea, I think you might be right, but one can hope :)
 
melmac said:
Actually, The performance of DLSS 2.0 doesn't seem to scale with the number of tensor cores. The % performance gains are roughly the same no matter which GPU you use but lower end GPUs seem to get the biggest performance gains from using DLSS 2.0.

For example Minecraft RTX, the 2080Ti gets a 57% boost from DLSS 2. The 2060 gets a 64% boost.

This is the same in other DLSS 2.0 games.

I understand where Lepuronn was coming from though, because that's the way the original DLSS worked.
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Also the factor that lower end GPUs will be targetting lower resolutions/settings so it all scales relatively to a degree anyhow.
 
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https://twitter.com/realmemes6/status/1266008658393120769
Lisa Su interviewed about 5nm. Interesting response.
Basically she indicated that 5nm will come after mobile

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https://www.gizchina.com/2020/05/05/exynos-1000-to-be-3-times-faster-than-snapdragon-865/
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Recently, Samsung’s new processor Exynos 1000 has been leaked. Unlike other Samsung processors, this processor uses RDNA GPU technology. RDNA GPU technology was authorized by Samsung in June last year and will replace the existing Mali GPU.
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The Exynos 1000 is expected to be released at the end of this year or early next year and will use a 5nm process.
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Do you guys realize AMD are doing what Intel and Nvidia tried very hard and failed to do? Both of them spent billions trying to get their IP into handhelds....

This is huge...
 
humbug said:
Do you guys realize AMD are doing what Intel and Nvidia tried very hard and failed to do? Both of them spent billions trying to get their IP into handhelds....

This is huge...
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That's actually pretty huge from other perspectives too - Open source drivers for ARM graphics have been notoriously difficult to produce for various reasons. Having AMD hardware on there could make it far, far easier to load more generic linux distros onto handsets with these chips and get the graphic acceleration working well.
 
Well to fair, AMD, ATI back then had a hand in mobiles using their Adreno IP. Which was sold off shortly after ATI/AMD merger to Qualcomm for $65 million in 2009.
Although it's not totally clear if Su intended to mean notebook or phone or both as both are labeled as mobile.

So, here's the 'other' mobile (apu)
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EastCoastHandle said:
Well to fair, AMD, ATI back then had a hand in mobiles using their Adreno IP. Which was sold off shortly after ATI/AMD merger to Qualcomm for $65 million in 2009.
Although it's not totally clear if Su intended to mean notebook or phone or both as both are labeled as mobile.

So, here's the 'other' mobile (apu)
Oct 24, 2019 Starting at 15:57
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Exynos is a Phone / Tablet Processor...
 
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Exynos is a Phone / Tablet Processor...
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Yes, it is. It seems that AMD had a easier path to mobile do to the prior relationship they had using Adreno.

It's rumored that 7nm is short lived. As AMD is transition their entire IP stack to 5nm soon. The if/when and what hardware is 1st is still up for debate. However, Su did clue us in with "mobile" being 1st. Which is already happening with the Samsung deal. However, I do recall that she also considered certain APU's as mobile as well. Which is why I included the video about Rembrandt going to 5nm.

Now will big navi be 5nm? I doubt it. What about Navi22? I still doubt that.
But Navi23? Hmm, that's cause for speculation as that's rumored at 5nm. If true, then what is it? A lower end part? Who knows right now. Why would AMD need R&D a specific die to replace a die they put into market almost a year ago? They could have just repurposed Navi22 dies that didn't meet certification for that.
Navi 21 Big Navi
Navi 22 Jr
Navi 23 5nm???
 
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