AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Dicehunter · 18 Jan 2020 at 11:02

shankly1985 said:
They not have broken has people are making out, sure some users have more problems than others. The big issue was only with some games, not all doesn't mean the whole driver is broken.

20.1.2 has already fixed loads of issues, and AMD is very active on reddit atm

Indeed, The only game I'm having issues with on a 5700XT I'm testing is Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Makes the driver crash, Other than that no issues.

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jan 2020 at 11:41

shankly1985 said:
20.1.2 has already fixed loads of issues, and AMD is very active on reddit atm

Yes, as they are now starting to fix them.

shankly1985 · 18 Jan 2020 at 11:50

LoadsaMoney said:
Yes, as they are now starting to fix them.

Just like with any big software release

hell you can even put games under this for example how much they get patched these days.

Few more driver releases and everything will be fixed and back on track.

shankly1985 · 18 Jan 2020 at 11:53

Dicehunter said:
Indeed, The only game I'm having issues with on a 5700XT I'm testing is Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Makes the driver crash, Other than that no issues.

People are so fast to jump on any little issue that comes from AMD and drivers.
One bug the whole driver is broken lol

BigBANGtheory · 18 Jan 2020 at 13:50

shankly1985 said:
20.1.2 has already fixed loads of issues, and AMD is very active on reddit atm

Good to hear, can you ask them when we might hear some alleviation to our high-end pain

shankly1985 · 18 Jan 2020 at 15:55

BigBANGtheory said:
Good to hear, can you ask them when we might hear some alleviation to our high-end pain

Lisa Su on a YouTube video other day said high end navi will be coming 2020 what month though remains to be seen.

Dicehunter · 18 Jan 2020 at 16:21

shankly1985 said:
People are so fast to jump on any little issue that comes from AMD and drivers.
One bug the whole driver is broken lol

Generally AMD drivers are as stable as Nvidia drivers from my own experience but the instability I have seen is with 1 Ubisoft title and I'd put that more down to it being an Ubisoft title than anything else

JediFragger · 18 Jan 2020 at 19:37

shankly1985 said:
Lisa Su on a YouTube video other day said high end navi will be coming 2020 what month though remains to be seen.

It's AMD, 31st December

In all seriousness I can see it coming late-on tbh, they probably won't want to 'one-up' the console RT tech too soon or something.

shankly1985 · 18 Jan 2020 at 20:27

JediFragger said:
It's AMD, 31st December

In all seriousness I can see it coming late-on tbh, they probably won't want to 'one-up' the console RT tech too soon or something.

I think July and August for big Navi
I think they be two high-end SKUs 5800 and an XT or they might name them 6000 series

BigBANGtheory · 18 Jan 2020 at 23:01

personally I think sooner because unless it radically undercuts Nvidia those asked to pay above £500 will pay more for more perf... Bottom line is AMD like it or not need to come in with above 2080Ti perf for below 2080 prices long before Nvidia get Ampere out the door otherwise they are dead on arrival... again.

EastCoastHandle · 18 Jan 2020 at 23:05

From what I understood so far Nav10 is some sort of hybrid between RDN + GCN. With Big Navi the Uarch is going to be completely different. I've not found any rumors as to how it will be different other then it's RDNA2.

Jacky60 · 19 Jan 2020 at 09:22

BigBANGtheory said:
personally I think sooner because unless it radically undercuts Nvidia those asked to pay above £500 will pay more for more perf... Bottom line is AMD like it or not need to come in with above 2080Ti perf for below 2080 prices long before Nvidia get Ampere out the door otherwise they are dead on arrival... again.

Too true, if they delay until July/August then they'll get smoked by Nvidia as usual. Their window to launch is next three months but I suspect they'll sit on their hands until it's too late as usual then release their 'me too' card a little cheaper and a bit slower than the competition in the way we've come to expect.

JediFragger · 19 Jan 2020 at 10:17

Jacky60 said:
but I suspect they'll sit on their hands until it's too late as usual then release their 'me too' card a little cheaper and a bit slower than the competition in the way we've come to expect.

Don't! You'll hurt their feelings while they're rolling around in all the money they make

markoboyo11 · 19 Jan 2020 at 10:22

If AMD were a bit more ruthless they should not make their new RT features open source and lock people in.
If developers are coding rt features for the consoles on amd and they only work on amd graphics cards, developers wont get the best out of recoding them for nvidia gpus so would be a massive win for amd.

Jacky60 · 19 Jan 2020 at 15:05

markoboyo11 said:
If AMD were a bit more ruthless they should not make their new RT features open source and lock people in.
If developers are coding rt features for the consoles on amd and they only work on amd graphics cards, developers wont get the best out of recoding them for nvidia gpus so would be a massive win for amd.

Now that would be a very sensible idea. Developers won't jump through hoops to code RT for Nvidia if most of the market is using AMD hardware. I'm sure they'd make a cursory effort but they won't spend a huge amount of time and money on it. Nvidia would then have to carry the additional costs.

Rroff · 19 Jan 2020 at 15:21

markoboyo11 said:
If AMD were a bit more ruthless they should not make their new RT features open source and lock people in.
If developers are coding rt features for the consoles on amd and they only work on amd graphics cards, developers wont get the best out of recoding them for nvidia gpus so would be a massive win for amd.

There is al ready a standard with DXR that can be fully accelerated with RTX and the standard Vulkan RT extensions work with RTX so that would probably back fire on them at this point.

queamin · 19 Jan 2020 at 15:23

Rroff said:
There is al ready a standard with DXR that can be fully accelerated with RTX and the standard Vulcan RT extensions work with RTX so that would probably back fire on them at this point.

I agree with this and people cannot rag on Nvidia and not on Amd if Amd do the same.

FoxEye · 19 Jan 2020 at 16:33

queamin said:
I agree with this and people cannot rag on Nvidia and not on Amd if Amd do the same.

Besides, the consumer always loses when stuff like that happens.

gronf · 19 Jan 2020 at 19:34

markoboyo11 said:
If AMD were a bit more ruthless they should not make their new RT features open source and lock people in.
If developers are coding rt features for the consoles on amd and they only work on amd graphics cards, developers wont get the best out of recoding them for nvidia gpus so would be a massive win for amd.

I would LOVE that - make it run like **** on Nvidia cards...oops, it sort of already does

BTW, I'm mostly an Nvidia buyer

markoboyo11 · 19 Jan 2020 at 21:29

FoxEye said:
Besides, the consumer always loses when stuff like that happens.

Short term maybe but it could give amd a massive boost in market share, then we all win.