They said the end of the year in the financial analyst event, whether they mean calendar year or financial year I don't know. Therefore, they will have to compete against the 3080TI because the only reason Nvidia have held back their best GPUs in the past is due to a lack of competition.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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I see, so calling it an Nvidia killer is very silly as I thought then. They needed to have it out now for that to be true. By then it will be in a very similar position as it is now.
Scott Herkelman Confirms No Blower Reference Card for Next Generation Big Navi GPUs
https://adoredtv.com/scott-herkelma...rence-card-for-next-generation-big-navi-gpus/
Good! took your time learning no one like hot loud cards, AMD.... still this good AMD, good stuff
Didn't the R7 run hot and loud?
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People need to temper their expectations if they expect it to be a "Nvidia killer" GPU:
1.)The new RDNA2 flagship needs to be faster than an RTX2080TI/Titan RTX
2.)The new RDNA2 flagship needs to be released BEFORE 7NM Ampere
If it is faster than the RTX2080TI/Titan RTX,but released after an Ampere RTX3080TI/Titan RTX it won't be a "Nvidia killer".
1.)The new RDNA2 flagship needs to be faster than an RTX2080TI/Titan RTX
2.)The new RDNA2 flagship needs to be released BEFORE 7NM Ampere
If it is faster than the RTX2080TI/Titan RTX,but released after an Ampere RTX3080TI/Titan RTX it won't be a "Nvidia killer".
Indeed. It isn't going to happen.
If it does, I'll be happy, eat my hat and donate £25 to the charity of the person who calls it out's choosing.
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If it can offer a realistically good value RT option versus an nVidia counterpart, then that to me is a good thing.
If their best card comes out at a 2080ti level but is notably cheaper then great .... Likewise for all the tiers below it. Who cares of it isn't too dog ... It's whether it's good value that will be what sells it.
If their best card comes out at a 2080ti level but is notably cheaper then great .... Likewise for all the tiers below it. Who cares of it isn't too dog ... It's whether it's good value that will be what sells it.
It will be anyway, if it comes out before or after Ampre because the 2080TI is £1200 and Nvidia will slap a 30% premium on top for the 3080TI, against a £1500 / £1600 3080TI 80/85% of that performance for £999 is a steal, #### it might even be £1200!
The fact is Nvidia set pricing because people buy Nvidia's cards in sick numbers pretty much no matter how much they cost, all AMD can do is try to under cut Nvidia to cater to the few left who are not "Nvidia at any cost"
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at least we are starting to see tangible movement, yes it would be nice to have it sooner but honestly these past few yrs have been such a **** take for GPUs I'll take any good news at this point
They didn't. The only product that they said would be late 2020 was Zen3 EPYC ... and that makes sense, because market availability as opposed to partner samples was late 2019 for Zen2 EPYC, shortly before Threadripper. No way they could launch the next gen 9 months later.
They said RDNA2 or Navi2X would be later this year.
But all the news sites are now saying every product in the stack is late 2020 and we're in for a long wait, because that gets more clicks ...
I'd be very surprised if at least some RDNA2 SKUs aren't available in Q3.
Ryzen 3000 Zen 2 was out before EPYC Zen 2, if they are doing the same again Zen 3 in Ryzen form will be out early in the second half of this year, RDNA2 Big Navi probably at the same time or shortly after, maybe in the next quarter, so Q3.
Edit: Ryzen 3000 was June 2019.
Yes, tho not as hot and loud as the 5700XT and the Radeon VII is a 300 watt card.
I'd prefer they kept to cheap blowers on the reference cards. Keeps the costs down, and these days a lot of reference cards are water cooled.
Also keeps the partners more hungry, offering a larger differentiation between their models and reference.
Also keeps the partners more hungry, offering a larger differentiation between their models and reference.
Big navi 30% faster than 2080TI is not enough by a long shot and I am sure amd knows that very well. NVIDIA can easily get 50% uplift in performance from just going to 7nm EUV plus architectural changes. I agree with adored TV that amd will be holding back their best ie XTX version or something like that for NVIDIA best a TITAN, I still think NVIDIA will have the performance crown by ~10% - 15%. Regardless, will be great achievement for a company that was nearly dead. AMD gpu division has a bright future and I am sure next round they will close the gap even more. The consoles kept them alive.
We need the competition between both companies for better price for us.
We need the competition between both companies for better price for us.
"Easily get 50% uplift" .... right.
2080Ti is a gigantic die. It's also on a custom super high power node built for them.
If they want 50% uplift without major architectural changes, then they're going to have a VERY big die again.
Since there's been no word on NVIDIA moving their next gen RT implementation away from discrete hardware on the die specifically for ray tracing, it's unlikely to happen with their next releases. As they've gone this route rather than what AMD are surely doing (adding RT capability to the card's main engine), they're going to have to have fairly big dies anyway. Also no news on the Tensor-specific hardware being removed from consumer cards. Even if they're artificially gimped on the 20xx series, they still take up die space. Again, AMD are very unlikely to have any Tensor hardware on Navi2X - that's for CDNA.
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Odd my 5700XT is cool and quiet. I presume you mean the blower cards? I think @Panos was happy with his Anniversary card?
Oh yeah. AE is absolutely brilliant. If it was "noisy" I would have put the waterblock which is sitting in it's box since August.
To put in comparison couldn't live with the Vega 64 reference more than 2 hours before watercooling. Yet here I am since July with 5700XT AE and it's reference cooler.
I know @LtMatt also has couple of 5700XT AE with their blower coolers. Can vouch also.
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I read somewhere they will probably be moving away from the blower design for the new reference cards (bout time).
The reference cards will certainly be a more attractive propitiation ---> IF <--- the thermals and fan noise is half decent under load.
Rumours are pointing to Q3/Q4 release though.
IF Nvidia launches in Q2 that could knock some wind out of AMD's sail, as people are impatient.
The reference cards will certainly be a more attractive propitiation ---> IF <--- the thermals and fan noise is half decent under load.
Rumours are pointing to Q3/Q4 release though.
IF Nvidia launches in Q2 that could knock some wind out of AMD's sail, as people are impatient.
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already confirmed, no amd reference gpu will use blower coolers anymore
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Hopefully they will not over complicate the reference cooler design like Nvidia, and keep it straight forward to completely strip down (no glue or easy to damage tiny screws).
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AMD isn't using 7NM EUV,but a modified variant of the current 7NM node called N7P. I would expect Nvidia to use the same node.
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