AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Nablaoperator · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:51

humbug said:
128 ROP's is a lot, a hell of a lot.

8K gaming for $299 less than 3090 .. hope we can crossfire.

g67575 · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:51

Vince - I suppose you are right, we cant know for sure if it would improve performance. We do know that higher clock rates and ROP counts result in a higher pixel rate. Intuitively, a higher pixel rate should improve performance at higher resolutions.

humbug · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:52

Nablaoperator said:
8K gaming for $200 less than 3090 .. hope we can crossfire.

lol...

Absolutely Clueless · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:54

humbug said:
I think 5% slower than the 3080 is ok, AMD have to tempt buyers with price for that tho, so i would expect it to be £100 to £150 cheaper.

Agreed. If it's only marginally slower, it will have to be at least £100 to tempt folks. Especially if they don't show a robust RTX or DLSS equivalent.

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:55

g67575 said:
Vince - I suppose you are right, we cant know for sure if it would i prove performance. We do know that higher clock rates and ROP counts result in a higher pixel rate. Intuitively, a higher pixel rate should improve performance at higher resolutions.

Its super interesting.. weirdly my 7 actually acts a bit like these new rtx cards, bench it at 720p and it gets spanked by my wifes rx470... not even joking.. crank up the res and all of a sudden the performace appears.. so we know somewhere in the gpu is a massive bottleneck where it just cant utilise the gpu at those lower resolutions. I cant remember what bench it was but the 7 was utter garbage at it.

Ill try and find the thread as it was pretty comical watching a 1k gpu get spanked about by a gpu i paid 28 quid for.

Absolutely Clueless · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:55

g67575 said:
Vince - I suppose you are right, we cant know for sure if it would improve performance. We do know that higher clock rates and ROP counts result in a higher pixel rate. Intuitively, a higher pixel rate should improve performance at higher resolutions.

Given Ampere is meh at 1080p and 1440p, I wonder if AMD could take the crown there, whilst being close to the 3080 at 4K. Gaming architecture vs an all-in-one architecture?

Nablaoperator · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:57

i am seeing the same story repeating

- amd: this is our (pseudo) 8k card with our proprietary upscaling tech can do 56 fps.. 8k is now a reality for $1199 (only)
- Gamers Nexus: Runs 3 demos without the upscaling tech, pans AMD, calls every prospective buyer a fool for considering this a gaming purchase
- prospective buyer: remorseful, puts back credit card in wallet

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:58

Absolutely Clueless said:
Given Ampere is meh at 1080p and 1440p, I wonder if AMD could take the crown there, whilst being close to the 3080 at 4K. Gaming architecture vs an all-in-one architecture?

Radeon 7 scales like ampere... but the real interesting stuff will be scaling as it scales down res like you say.

humbug · 14 Oct 2020 at 11:58

Did i miss a leak?

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:00

humbug said:
Did i miss a leak?

Sorry ill put some new pants on now... it was an accident I promise

humbug · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:01

Vince said:
Sorry ill put some new pants on now... it was an accident I promise

Not that kind of leak

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:04

humbug said:
Not that kind of leak

Somebody said 128 rops and this had die hards pitching tents.

vapor matt · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:05

One of the main reasons i am holding out for big navi, I am quite happy with 1440p and cant see me going to 4k anytime soon. already going over to AMD cpu 5950x so hoping navi scales well and shows better performance under 4k res

Absolutely Clueless · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:05

Vince said:
Radeon 7 scales like ampere... but the real interesting stuff will be scaling as it scales down res like you say.

I still think I will TRY (key word) and pick up a 3080 asap, but it's unlikely, so will probably get a chance to see the RDNA2 announcement anyway. I really hope the card they 'showed' at the Zen 3 event isn't the top card. That would be pretty exciting, even if the RT/DLSS stuff isn't as well-developed.

humbug · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:05

Vince said:
Somebody said 128 rops and this had die hards pitching tents.

Oh ok.....

2 Weeks and all this will be over.

Satchfanuk · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:09

Vince said:
Somebody said 128 rops and this had die hards pitching tents.

And the other die hards pitching forks :rolleyes:

thenewoc · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:09

Even if they have a 3090 beater they won't be able to charge more than about £900 for it as they just don't have the mind share to command NV silly prices. I say that as someone rooting for a great AMD product but I recognise where AMD are coming from with their past efforts.

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:09

humbug said:
Oh ok.....

2 Weeks and all this will be over.

Indeed, i think we are in a world where numbers and specs matter little if the pipeline is under utilised, none of the numbers really matter, only performance.

Nablaoperator · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:11

thenewoc said:
Even if they have a 3090 beater they won't be able to charge more than about £900 for it as they just don't have the mind share to command NV silly prices. I say that as someone rooting for a great AMD product but I recognise where AMD are coming from with their past efforts.

$1299 with 32 GB of RAM, 128 ROPs... will you bite?

Vince · 14 Oct 2020 at 12:11

thenewoc said:
Even if they have a 3090 beater they won't be able to charge more than about £900 for it as they just don't have the mind share to command NV silly prices. I say that as someone rooting for a great AMD product but I recognise where AMD are coming from with their past efforts.

They will price it at whatever price they want and people will buy it. I paid 1k for radeon 7 on release day as did many others.