AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

gpuerrilla · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:06

From memory if AMD didn't push mantle, Microsoft would have continued to zombie along with DX so it gave them a kick up the ass which was needed. People need to work together on the tools available and stop inventing these proprietary side strands slowing down the innovation.

d_brennen · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:11

Nothing new. RTX is NV getting a jump on a standard and making it look like their own, also blocking customers out and charging a premium... But enough people love bending over so they'll keep doing it!

Ray tracing will be a step change, like hardware T&L, but it won't happen (outside of mirror finish puddles) until much of the market can do it at reasonable performance hit

chris85oc · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:12

d_brennen said:
Nothing new. RTX is NV getting a jump on a standard and making it look like their own, also blocking customers out and charging a premium... But enough people love bending over so they'll keep doing it!

Ray tracing will be a step change, like hardware T&L, but it won't happen (outside of mirror finish puddles) until much of the market can do it at reasonable performance hit

Blocking customers from what exactly?

EastCoastHandle · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:15

muon said:
That wasn't really his point now was it.

It is a fair critique to say AMD have not really innovated in the space since DX10.1.

edit:

Freesync I'd perhaps give AMD credit for.

And that certainly wasn't his point now was it? Ignoring mantel to vulkan and even hbm is a bit short sighted.

However, its a fair critique to say that rt wasn't invented by nvidia. Something that goes as far back as the late 70's.

d_brennen · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:17

chris85oc said:
Blocking customers from what exactly?

Adaptive sync? It's a thing NV called G-Sync and made a show of "making premium" instead of bettering the whole industry.

Dontrocktheboat · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:23

muon said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ElGamerAustral/status/1317860832697516032/photo/1

This image is even more confusing. Official TDP of the 5700 XT is 225W. It is almost flipped in that table.

180W is what something like GPU-Z would see.

Anyway there are still fans and VRM efficiency losses to add.

edit:

I'd probably just go off this then and add 50W for TBP.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElGamerAustral/status/1317868163292385280/photo/1

If they are pushing 2.4ghz now, then will need to add to those numbers.

New case for big Navi.

At least it should Overclock good

Zeeflyboy · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:24

@muon His point isn’t helped by stating factually incorrect information though either is it...

gpuerrilla · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:27

..not the first time from guys not interested in AMD hardware except pointing out how good nvidia are.

Sargatanas2511 · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:43

Dontrocktheboat said:
New case for big Navi.

At least it should Overclock good

I know you probably meant this as a joke but multiple times I have seen you making obviously biased statements against AMD. This one is just ridiculous though after the power hogs that Nvidia just released.

Grim5 · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:50

d_brennen said:
Nothing new. RTX is NV getting a jump on a standard and making it look like their own, also blocking customers out and charging a premium... But enough people love bending over so they'll keep doing it!

Ray tracing will be a step change, like hardware T&L, but it won't happen (outside of mirror finish puddles) until much of the market can do it at reasonable performance hit

speaking of puddles, was watching some gameplay of the new dirt 5 game on the series x and it has rayvtraced reflections in puddle but the funny thing is that the ray tracing only exists like 5 feet in front of the car and everything is else is not ray traced so as your driving in rain these reflections just pop out of nowhere in front of you it's freaking hilarious - reminds of PlayStation 1 games where every open world game has fog, that's what dirt 5 is like on the series x, it has lots of ray tracing fog where ray traced elements just pop into view at 5ft from the camera

gpuerrilla · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:50

I hope the plastic fence sitters who buy either brand (but dont really) take note as its getting tiring the bias posts on an AMD thread trying to troll, strange behavior it has to be said.

d_brennen · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:56

Grim5 said:
speaking of puddles, was watching some gameplay of the new dirt 5 game on the series x and it has rayvtraced reflections in puddle but the funny thing is that the ray tracing only exists like 5 feet in front of the car and everything is else is not ray traced so as your driving in rain these reflections just pop out of nowhere in front of you it's freaking hilarious - reminds of PlayStation 1 games where every open world game has fog, that's what dirt 5 is like on the series x, it has lots of ray tracing fog where ray traced elements just pop into view at 5ft from the camera

IDK if this is good or bad, from my PoV as gaming as an escapist thing, I am not paying £1200 for mirror finish puddles and some bounced coloured lighting that could be emulated easily by all but the laziest of developers

DDH · 18 Oct 2020 at 22:58

LoadsaMoney said:
No RT in Cyberpunk for AMD on launch, only Nvidia.

https://wccftech.com/cdpr-talks-gi-...-and-using-jali-to-automate-facial-animation/

The article doesn't quote anything that resembles saying no RT on AMD graphics. Does anyone have access to the actual article to confirm?

Sargatanas2511 · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:21

DDH said:
The article doesn't quote anything that resembles saying no RT on AMD graphics. Does anyone have access to the actual article to confirm?

Ray tracing will only be available on PCs with GeForce graphics cards or via GeForce NOW at launch, though we expect that it'll be eventually compatible with AMD's new Navi graphics cards as well as being featured on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X once the proper enhancement updates drop for the next-gen consoles in 2021.

Zeeflyboy · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:28

@Sargatanas2511 His point was that's a quote from WCCFtech who are referring to an article in a magazine, but don't actually provide the reference from that magazine on which they based that sentence.

I guess someone needs to buy the magazine! There's a preview that shows the article but it cuts off just as it starts talking about the ray tracing...

https://www.magazinesdirect.com/az-...1_1603060166_a9ca44f8f00a99e2d733334859d8f43a

Sargatanas2511 · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:30

Zeeflyboy said:
@Sargatanas2511 His point was that's a quote from WCCFtech who are referring to an article in a magazine, but don't actually provide the reference from that magazine on which they based that sentence.

I guess someone needs to buy the magazine! There's a preview that shows the article but it cuts off just as it starts talking about the ray tracing

Ah fair enough. I wonder if it's an optimisation issue or if money has changed hands... /skeptic.

Zeeflyboy · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:31

Maybe, the article says they had a technical partnership with Nvidia on it whatever that really means...

I'm sure given it's a DX12 game and going to next gen consoles there will be Raytracing on AMD hardware too at some point.

OMGsideboob · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:39

Nablaoperator said:

He describes in that video (at the 23:15 mark) a valid scenario in which big-dong Navi might actually have roughly the same speed as the 2080ti. His reasoning is sound.

Back to the drawing board?

EastCoastHandle · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:39

Zeeflyboy said:
Maybe, the article says they had a technical partnership with Nvidia on it whatever that really means...

I'm sure given it's a DX12 game and going to next gen consoles there will be Raytracing on AMD hardware too at some point.

AMD wouldn't release a unreleased gpu to them because they would only tell nvidia. I wouldn't be surprised if TWIMTBP partnership has folk in house at CDPR.
AMD would never send them unreleased cards under such conditions IMO.

So the likelihood that AMD cards won't see any optimization until console is very good speculation IMO.

DDH · 18 Oct 2020 at 23:44

DDH said:
The article doesn't quote anything that resembles saying no RT on AMD graphics. Does anyone have access to the actual article to confirm?

Haha you know what i just reread it, Wccftech are talking about existing AMD hardware, not rdna2. All the people on this forum jumping on this article and claiming like rdna2 won't support RT on CP2077 at launch is laughable. I expect most of them to cease posting after the 28th Oct when all there garbage rumours are finally put to bed