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If the Devs haven't got a card how exactly will it get patched?
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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If the Devs haven't got a card how exactly will it get patched?
Ok, lets break this down into little chunks of common sense:
1) Firstly, how do you know the devs don't have access to a PC RDNA2 card?
2) You know the consoles are based on AMD RDNA2... right? They obviously have access to the consoles.
3) Even if they didn't have a PC RDNA2 card now what would stop them patching it in later when they do get one?
Just to add to this, there is a confirmed "next gen" patch coming in early 2021 for the new consoles. I wonder what else will be included in this patch and how it will effect the PC version.
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Number 3 so you agree then. RT on AMD hardware could be DOA on cyberpunk until patched...
That cleared it up
Funny he slams MLID couple of times in tweets then posts what turns out to be correct Ampere info shortly after contrary to what MLID was saying.
His info on Ampere was a bit mixed though - got it right eventually and/or likely correct in development but some things he claimed one way at first then the other way later.
If Crytek can do RT on Pascal - why should AMD be locked out of RT anywhere ?
It seems that it would be down to each games implementation. If the consoles are based on RDNA2, this seem to favour AMD. Or am I missing something ?
https://www.cryengine.com/marketplace/product/neon-noir#
It seems that it would be down to each games implementation. If the consoles are based on RDNA2, this seem to favour AMD. Or am I missing something ?
https://www.cryengine.com/marketplace/product/neon-noir#
Ok...Number 3 so you agree then. RT on AMD hardware could be DOA on cyberpunk until patched...
That cleared it up
Crytek's RT is a hybrid approach that uses a mix of techniques with limitations and isn't comparable to proper RT. It relies on separately rendering a hugely simplified version of the scene, uses Voxel based representation of a scene for performance boosting which has some limitations not found in RT implemented with DXR, etc. and some features only work with static geometry and so on. It is one leg in the past for RT though even 5 years ago it would have been a big breakthrough.
Some people will defend it but it is a dead end technology now RT without relying on such techniques is a thing.
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As I said it wasn't about that, but you have consistently made comments through this thread that are anti-AMD and Pro-Nvidia. Not sure why you are here when that's the case.
Reading the comments section it looks like XTL is likely Navi22 not Navi21 and others seems very sure that XTX does in fact exist...
Only 9 more days of this back and forth lol
More nonsense from Twitter lol. Just assume that what we saw on the 8th October is what we are getting. If there's something better released also, it's a bonus.
Why are people getting so preoccupied with model names? It's performance that matters, not the name of the graphics card.
AMD can pretty much leave model names to the last minute, depending on the finalized performance of each GPU.
Why are people getting so preoccupied with model names? It's performance that matters, not the name of the graphics card.
AMD can pretty much leave model names to the last minute, depending on the finalized performance of each GPU.
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Unless this fastest SKU that was not mentioned in the CPU announcement is priced near the 3080 segment, I wont be that interested. I do want AMD to push the high-end though to keep nvidia on their toes and stop them ripping off people.
Price can be changed up till the very last minute.
Stock levels isn't useful information to consumers (especially without demand numbers to put it into context). What exactly are you going to do once you know exactly how much stock AMD has? How does that change your purchasing decision? It is probably also the easiest information to trace. There could be 1 or 2 people in charge of purchasing RDNA 2 for desktop GPUs from TSMC. If someone starts talking about AMD ordering X number of GPUs. AMD would know exactly were to look for the leak.
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My purchasing decision is largely already made. Assuming the performance is around the 3080, and assuming the price is <£650, then I will buy one. That is the benchmark that has been set by the 3080, and I can't buy one of those. So all I care about at this point is being able to get one.
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Some more clarification from same source:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KittyYYuko/status/1318120745407426562
The number of CU for 21 must be a multiple of 8. And, XT is full-fat. (assumed 80 by me)
6900XT = 290w TDP at stock
2.4ghz number comes from some internal overclockers at AIB partner, is not the stock clock speed
https://twitter.com/patrickschur_?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1317855621157392393|twgr^share_3,containerclick_0&ref_url=https://www.redditmedia.com/mediaembed/jdin6c?responsive=trueis_nightmode=false
2.4ghz number comes from some internal overclockers at AIB partner, is not the stock clock speed
https://twitter.com/patrickschur_?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1317855621157392393|twgr^share_3,containerclick_0&ref_url=https://www.redditmedia.com/mediaembed/jdin6c?responsive=trueis_nightmode=false
I am after 3080 raster performance at less than £650, and would settle for the reference cooler if its the three fan one we have seen.
Perfect product for me would be something akin to the Sapphire Toxic or Tri-X with 3080 perf out the box and some OC headroom for £650 or less
Perfect product for me would be something akin to the Sapphire Toxic or Tri-X with 3080 perf out the box and some OC headroom for £650 or less
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As i said above though, AMD said, their cards would be out before the new consoles, the new xbox releases 10th November, Cyberpunk releases on the 19th November, so, if AMDs cards are going to be out before Cyberpunk is released, they should be able to run the standard DXR too, on the games release, like Nvidia, as they can run DirectX 12, which the DXR is part of, so there would be no need for Wccf to write there, its only going to run on GeForce, on release, would there ?, no of course not, not if AMDs cards are out too, unless, AMD are doing their own prop RT, which would make sense, in the sense that, Cyber RT, is not coming to the xbox until sometime next year, meaning that too, isn't using its own standard DXR either, it to, must be using AMDs own prop one, which then would not make sense.
It sounds like, all the new games a coming now, with the RT, are only going to run on Nvidias cards on release, and AMD owners, are going to have to wait god knows how long, for the devs to patch the games, with their prop RT, as the games are built on DirectX, which the DXR is a part of, so if AMD aren't using it, they gona need patching.
DXR is like tessellation, when a game is released with that, AMD cards, and Nvidia cards, can just run it straight away, at the same time, so why, do AMD owners, have to wait until sometime next year, for RT in Cyberpunk, and why does the new xbox have to wait too.
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That Patrick has been somewhat equivocal in past few leaks.. I am still open to all possibilities even those that are contradictory.. he might be shortly tweeting that AIBs have a different interpretation of Game Clocks
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