AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Dontrocktheboat · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:27

Liquid Cooled Edition Vega pumped out about 345W

So liquid navi is probably in the pipeline, or at least i hope it is.

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:28

Dontrocktheboat said:
Liquid Cooled Edition Vega pumped out about 345W

So liquid navi is probably in the pipeline, or at least i hope it is.

Would love one but cant see it being under £800

five8five · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:30

Nablaoperator said:
It is not just chip/socket power..
its basically chip+gddr6 power
which patrick clarified later
so i would be adding few 10's of watts above it possibly 30w
however, igor puts TBP at 320-355W for navi 21 xt which requires ton of salt.. i will believe it when i see it

That was the confusion initially because TGP can refer to just power for the die.
Don't forget USB-C on the 2080/Ti adds 30W. It's rumoured that Big Navi also has it.

Edit - Turing, not Ampere

EastCoastHandle · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:30

If the rumors posted in this thread are true RDNA 2 would flat out beat Ampere on:
-Heat
-Noise
-OC capabilities
-Price
-Availability
-Performance: Rasterized...RT (unknown)
-Power Consumption (unknown)

If that turned out to be true that would be one of the biggest upsets in the GPU market history and would go down as one of the biggest historic events of all time.
Nvidia would need to stop productions of Ampere Gen 1 for something more robust for Ampere Gen 2 in order to compete again.

IMO, I'm sure Nvidia has contingency plans which is why it's also rumored that they have replacement cards at the ready.

But all will be made known in a weeks time if that turns out to be true or not.

muon · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:30

Nablaoperator said:
It is not just chip/socket power..
its basically chip+gddr6 power
which patrick clarified later
so i would be adding few 10's of watts above it possibly 30w
however, igor puts TBP at 320-355W for navi 21 xt which requires ton of salt.. i will believe it when i see it

Well he's wrong unless you dont believe the powerplay tables above. 255W is the equivalent of the 180W the 5700XT has.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34101275

A reference 5700XT has a TDP of 225W (an additional 45W). That only has 8GB of GDDR6 and a single fan.

AIB overclocked 6900XT boards will be in the 300+ range easily.

I'm not sure why people are so surprised. It's still 7nm and an RDNA revision.

Chuk_Chuk · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:31

five8five said:
If they're air-freighted then it'll probably be a limited stock release like the 3080/90.

Not necessarily, Apple has managed to pull off an iPhone launch using air freights, and i am certain more iPhones are sold on day 1 than GPUs. If AMD are willing they could air freight and have ample stock.

Does anyone know were final assembly for graphics cards happens for some these companies?

Dontrocktheboat · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:31

Th0nt said:
Would love one but cant see it being under £800

IF it was 699£ would you bite? I would :cool:

EastCoastHandle · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:33

Chuk_Chuk said:
Not necessarily, Apple has managed to pull off an iPhone launch using air freights, and i am certain more iPhones are sold on day 1 than GPUs. If AMD are willing they could air freight and have ample stock.

Does anyone know were final assembly for graphics cards happens for some these companies?

It was PC Partner. Not sure who they are using now.

Nablaoperator · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:36

five8five said:
That was the confusion initially because TGP can refer to just power for the die.
Don't forget USB-C on the 3080/90 adds 30W. It's rumoured that Big Navi also has it.

Igor doesnt seem to have factored that in his estimates..
Other than that, the additional power is just mere power accounting cuz i will ignore it while making performance speculations

muon · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:36

EastCoastHandle said:
If the rumors posted in this thread are true RDNA 2 would flat out beat Ampere on:
-Heat
-Noise
-Price
-Availability
-Performance: Rasterized...RT (unknown)
-Power Consumption (unknown)

If that turned out to be true that would be one of the biggest upsets in the GPU market history and would go down as one of the biggest historic events of all time.
Nvidia would need to stop productions of Ampere Gen 1 for something more robust for Ampere Gen 2 in order to compete again.

IMO, I'm sure Nvidia has contingency plans which is why it's also rumored that they have replacement cards at the ready.

But all will be made known in a weeks time if that turns out to be true or not.

I also heard unicorns exist. I'm excited to hear AMD announce that.

People forget the previous Polaris, Vega, Vega 7nm and Navi threads so quickly.

Troezar · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:37

zx128k said:
Maybe because these people are real customers and use the forums to pass the time while waiting for delivery?

You're obviously less cynical than me. I must be getting old

LePhuronn · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:39

Satchfanuk said:
Something smells a bit Toxic to me

Almost a year ago now, MLID interviewed Edward Crisler from Sapphire and one of the questions was "when are we going to see another Toxic?" (referring to the rumoured 5700XT Toxic hinted at by the Singapore rep). Ed replied saying everybody at Sapphire would love to do another Toxic, but there's not much left in the tank with the GPUs to warrant insane PCB design and push the GPUs; essentially there's no headroom available to even bother. I wonder if this super top "special partner" SKU might actually be the opportunity Sapphire have wanted for a while?

Rroff · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:39

EastCoastHandle said:
It was PC Partner. Not sure who they are using now.

PC Partner I believe does a lot of AMD stuff - variously some brands do their own assembly others are sub-contractors of bigger brands like PC Partner, Palit, etc. and others use places like Foxxcon, etc.

In terms of locations usually HK, Taiwan and Germany for final card assembly.

zx128k · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:40

Satchfanuk said:
Something smells a bit Toxic to me

Its from a leaked BIOS, the information is what it is.

LePhuronn · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:40

five8five said:
Don't forget USB-C on the 3080/90 adds 30W

Um, it's not on Ampere. Nvidia binned off the entire unified VR connector idea and removed the USB port.

LePhuronn · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:41

zx128k said:
Nothing at all toxic

Sapphire Toxic Edition, you missed the capital "T"

Nablaoperator · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:42

Rroff said:
PC Partner I believe does a lot of AMD stuff - variously some brands do their own assembly others are sub-contractors of bigger brands like PC Partner, Palit, etc. and others use places like Foxxcon, etc.

PC Partner also owns Sapphire, Zotac, Manli, Inno3D.. maybe they also do jobbing for other AIBs (other than Asus, cuz they have fully automated PCB assembly lines requiring no human touch)... you know where to look for the highest supplies

five8five · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:42

Chuk_Chuk said:
Not necessarily, Apple has managed to pull off an iPhone launch using air freights, and i am certain more iPhones are sold on day 1 than GPUs. If AMD are willing they could air freight and have ample stock.

Does anyone know were final assembly for graphics cards happens for some these companies?

Boxes are much smaller and lighter, many many more per pallet. Not been paying attention but a much higher price as well?
It must cost effective for Apple to do that. Some Ampere cards have been air-freighted in but it is supposed to be quite expensive to do.

Chuk_Chuk · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:42

EastCoastHandle said:
It was PC Partner. Not sure who they are using now.

Is it right to assume that most of the final assembly for graphics cards is done in east Asia?

zx128k · 21 Oct 2020 at 17:43

LePhuronn said:
Sapphire Toxic Edition, you missed the capital "T"

No worries, was wondering what you were saying.