AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Rroff]

Needs a lot of work but a big improvement on the glasses (more impressive in action when you can see the real time accurate reflection, refraction and light scattering).

Still massively held back by the geometry limitations of the engine though (and I'm no artist).

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Come on AMD don't fall short of the ray tracing :s

 

[Richdog]

I dont think there will be TSMC versions til very late next year if at all to be honest.

Out of interest, what is your logic for that?

 

[Phixsator]

Precisely, if people want AMD to be there just to make nvidia cards cheaper for them then it will never change. Either buy a console, or get AMD card if you want to hit nvidia where it hurts.

My plan personally, as Ampere is a ****-show IMHO with so much marketing twisting facts that even if the 6000 series is mediocre I highly doubt it will look worse than AmpAlot considering the laser focus mode the top Su management is in.

 

[Slam62]

Yeah nvidia appears to be playing a game with a crap hand at the moment, its the old FUD tactic, they can't make the 3080, there's hardly any about anywhere.

AMD have been very quiet performance wise, which makes me think they will deliver reasonable performance.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Out of interest, what is your logic for that?

They will need to tape out the die get the QS chips out for validation, update PCB and other components to reduce costs where possible and also run out any contractual obligations to Samsung. Then also have enough of a gap to bring out a super/ti variant and build an entire marketing blitz around it.

Unless Nvidia starts to pile up inventory there’s no reason to rush out a replacement when they can take their time to focus on a mid gen refresh.

 

[KentMan]

They will need to tape out the die get the QS chips out for validation, update PCB and other components to reduce costs where possible and also run out any contractual obligations to Samsung. Then also have enough of a gap to bring out a super/ti variant and build an entire marketing blitz around it.

Unless Nvidia starts to pile up inventory there’s no reason to rush out a replacement when they can take their time to focus on a mid gen refresh.

Exactly this, not to mention TSMC capacity on 7nm is probably already mostly utilised, also i would expect Nvidia to suck this one up and come back hard on 5nm instead. If they do refresh on 7nm or a variant, they could be in a position where AMD refreshes as well and if AMD are close already, a refresh may not actually bring Nvidia back out way infront.

Plus AMD are probably already ready to start moving stuff to 5nm, they have been super aggressive with their node strategy for products, and have been first to market on 7nm, i expect the same with 5nm

 

[JediFragger]

This is such a paper launch across the stack you could write a book on it.

With all the excess paper?

 

[JediFragger]

3070 is basically a 2080ti with 8gb of Vram in raster and slightly ahead in RTX..

I'm expecting the Ti to easily beat it, esp once overclocks for both.

3070 for 1440p will be v v nice though

 

[KentMan]

I'm expecting the Ti to easily beat it, esp once overclocks for both.

3070 for 1440p will be v v nice though

I think the only thing the 3070 will be ahead on vs the 2080ti is Raytracing in all honesty if both cards are OCd

And yeah 1440p fps will be very good, this is why I want the AMD offering that sits around 3080 perf, as it will give me great fps at 3440x1440p for a good while

 

[JediFragger]

I think the only thing the 3070 will be ahead on vs the 2080ti is Raytracing in all honesty if both cards are OCd

Agreed, nV twisting words yet again with their 'faster than a Ti' info.

 

[thenewoc]

I hope these can be limited to 1 per residential address associated with payment method and ocuk account as NV queues are raising my anxiety.

@Gibbo

 

[Nablaoperator]

As the launch chatter picks up..i forgot about the most exciting component in Navi 21, the infinity cache
Any new leaks or theories surrounding it?
Looks interesting

 

[gundamgeforce]

only big leak so far is that the 20gb 3080 is being cancelled so one theory would be that they wanted to price such a variant for a grand however amd are proving more competitive than anticipated hence the cancellation

 

[Woodsta888]

Only cancelled on 8nm I reckon these cards will be moved to a 7nm foundry.

 

[DustyMiller]

I know most people think this is a paper launch, but could Nvidia's supply issue we due to AMD taking all the build slots with the AIB's, and at the FAB's as they have three supply fronts to manage, both new consoles & the PC parts ?

 

[Troezar]

Exactly this, not to mention TSMC capacity on 7nm is probably already mostly utilised, also i would expect Nvidia to suck this one up and come back hard on 5nm instead. If they do refresh on 7nm or a variant, they could be in a position where AMD refreshes as well and if AMD are close already, a refresh may not actually bring Nvidia back out way infront.

Plus AMD are probably already ready to start moving stuff to 5nm, they have been super aggressive with their node strategy for products, and have been first to market on 7nm, i expect the same with 5nm

It's a clever strategy. Make use of the process lead to keep you in the game whilst buying time for R&D to improve your architecture. In the past they always seemed to be behind on process and architecture.

The reason I like AMD, for now, is they always seem to be trying something, pushing forwards and improving the technology. Maybe it's because they have to but I get the impression the company has more direction from engineers than marketeers. That has the bonus of putting pressure on the competition to let their engineers have more freedom. End result, we're all winners.

 

[Troezar]

I know most people think this is a paper launch, but could Nvidia's supply issue we due to AMD taking all the build slots with the AIB's, and at the FAB's as they have three supply fronts to manage, both new consoles & the PC parts ?

Rroff reckons getting the cards built is pretty easy, getting the GPU chips is the constraint. I also expect these things are booked up years in advance so I don't think it's come as a surprise to insiders.

 

[HRL]

is this true? 6900XT only available from AMD?

this means 6900XT is going to be very limited supply.

With a username like yours I’m sure you’ll be able to find one.

 

[snips86x]

AMD has reportedly issued a statement to its partners warning against resellers and bots, listing ways for retailers to batten down the hatches to ensure AMD RX 6000 GPUs and Ryzen 5000 CPUs make their way into the hands of genuine consumers.

https://www.pcgamer.com/au/amd-is-s...series-launch-errors-according-to-leaked-doc/

 

[pugheaven]

I'm 100% buying whatever is the top card from AMD, my problem is like some others, water cooling it... so it's an odd one to have as I've heard NOTHING around any water cooling blocks anywhere, so to me, it seems that the release is still some way off... but I'd have to run it outside my case for a bit if I got one lol until a waterblock was available...