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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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RBImGuy said:
need a price war to make change the field a bit
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We do, mid level cards have gone up £100 in the last few years, the GTX 970 was the last £350 mid level card, the 1060 became a £300 card and was no better than the 970, then the 2060 became a £350 with less VRam than the 1070 and not much better, the 3070 will be £500 and the 3060 £400 and no better than the 2070 super
 
humbug said:
We do, mid level cards have gone up £100 in the last few years, the GTX 970 was the last £350 mid level card, the 1060 became a £300 card and was no better than the 970, then the 2060 became a £350 with less VRam than the 1070 and not much better, the 3070 will be £500 and the 3060 £400 and no better than the 2070 super
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The 3070's are already at least £519 rising to £660! for the dearest :eek: and that's before anyone's got one in their basket!
 
MCFC_ANDY said:
looking at the confirmed specs the excitment is ramping up, any reason why amd are keeping the top card in house? is it they dont trust the AIB's with leaks?
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Sapphire (or at least the parent company) is very likely making the AMD-exclusive card anyway. Sapphire have been AMD poster boys for a very long time, I don't get the impression they'd do any leaking. Those not tied to AMD as closely (Gigabyte, MSI, Asus, for example) probably wouldn't care too much about peeing off AMD with leaks because they make a ton on their Nvidia products.
 
Nvidia actually done everyone a favour by kinda resetting or almost bringing back prices a bit with the 3080 for £650, although extremely few will ever see that MSRP, it kinda forces AMD to meet similar prices.

Lets be honest here, if AMD release card within a few % perf of the 3080 they simply can not charge more for it, no one is buying a card that is slightly slower but lacks RT perf and DLSS, the question is how much less is the lack of those things worth?

£500-£600 is my guess, hedging towards £600, then how much more is 3090 perf worth? £400?? No, £200 tops id say
 
humbug said:
We do, mid level cards have gone up £100 in the last few years, the GTX 970 was the last £350 mid level card, the 1060 became a £300 card and was no better than the 970, then the 2060 became a £350 with less VRam than the 1070 and not much better, the 3070 will be £500 and the 3060 £400 and no better than the 2070 super
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Yep this is the danger some of us have been trumpeting for a while now. Before you know it, mid-range cards are now suddenly the price of high-ed cards from a few years ago. Dont gloss over the branding numbers as it will fool you with what performance your paying for.
 
thenewoc said:
The 3070's are already at least £519 rising to £660! for the dearest :eek: and that's before anyone's got one in their basket!
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Indeed. If it wasnt for the stock shortages where there should be around 8 3080 cards available between £600 and £649 for the FE, why anybody would pay more money for a 3070 than a 3080 is beyond me. More money for a 20% slower card with less memory.

Yet I know they will fly of the shelves as fast as they arrive.

Sad times.
 
danlightbulb said:
For free? Its called technological development. Or perhaps you think we should all be paying tens of thousands for TV's now as well?
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But arguably that's the point. Your TV example is a good one. TVs generally exist in price brackets. Those price brackets mostly stay the same (inflation adjusted, of course), but the technology inside the products advances. So, a £1,000 TV today is vastly superior to a £1,000 TV from 5 years ago.

But that's not what Nvidia are doing. As their technology advances, they're taking the prices up with it. Since Maxwell, possibly even Kepler, as a product tier matches the performance of the tier above of the previous generation, Nvidia have also pushed the price up to match, e.g. if a 70 class card matches or beats the previous generation's 80 class card, Nvidia push the price up near to what that previous gen 80 class card would cost. That's not more for your money, that's the same for your money. This is why we're now seeing the 3070 pushing 600 notes. It doesn't matter if the 3070 is equivalent to the 2080 Ti, a 70 class card shouldn't cost 600 notes. That's $100 more than last gen, which in turn was $50 more than its predecessor. And arguably the GTX 1070 shouldn't have been $450 when the GTX 970 was $350.

But, the idiot sheep marketplace allows Nvidia to get away with it, and as long as the precedent is set, AMD have zero reason to disrupt that and charge sensible, realistic money.
 
People underestimate what you get with AMD. If you think "but nvidia.." you have already ruled yourself out as your not listening. If the 6000 cards are cheaper than their counterparts, with posts like the above showing they do perform strongly/better, if you still ignore it and buy nvidia then - oh well you missed the chance to do some voting here.
 
LePhuronn said:
Yeah, but the RTX 2080 wasn't £600-ish quid. It was £800.
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That was a result of AMD not competing (I also include poor driver development in that as well), if the 6900 is competitive I'd expect to see 3080 closer to MSRP in the coming months, whether that makes me a moron for paying the 3080 preorder premium idk.
 
Th0nt said:
People underestimate what you get with AMD. If you think "but nvidia.." you have already ruled yourself out as your not listening. If the 6000 cards are cheaper than their counterparts, with posts like the above showing they do perform strongly/better, if you still ignore it and buy nvidia then - oh well you missed the chance to do some voting here.
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Wut?
 
otester said:
That was a result of AMD not competing
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Nvidia price gouging is AMD's fault? You really need to stop that rhetoric. But as I replied to danlightbulb, Turing wasn't a one-off. Nvidia have been doing this since Kepler into Maxwell, and ATI were very competitive then.

770: $399
970: $349
1070: $450
2070: $599

All of those increases are way above inflation and massively shift the cost of the 70 class cards upwards. Ampere won't be any different because the MSRP is a marketing lie.
 
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