AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

vapor matt · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:02

One thing is for sure, if AMD's new offerings are close to NV in performance they will need to start off with a solid driver to show its potential. Solid driver updates will also be needed, No flaky performance from the off with the promise to get things working at a later date. AMD's driver record has not been great of late.

crazy8s · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:05

OZONE said:
Is there any way we could reasonably secure one of AMD's new cards when they launch? How are OCUK going to handle this? I would love if priority went to forum members!

I'm expecting the site to crash again tbh

Phate · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:07

OZONE said:
Is there any way we could reasonably secure one of AMD's new cards when they launch? How are OCUK going to handle this? I would love if priority went to forum members!

I imagine like any store. It will be first come first served.

Phate · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:08

vapor matt said:
One thing is for sure, if AMD's new offerings are close to NV in performance they will need to start off with a solid driver to show its potential. Solid driver updates will also be needed, No flaky performance from the off with the promise to get things working at a later date. AMD's driver record has not been great of late.

Eh?

What do you consider "of late" ?

Drivers have been solid for months. I've owned my 5700xt since launch and have had to roll back one driver which was the May driver. Otherwise, zero issues and have seen performance improvements.

Grim5 · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:10

OZONE said:
Is there any way we could reasonably secure one of AMD's new cards when they launch? How are OCUK going to handle this? I would love if priority went to forum members!

have you considered offering OC staff a blowie to jump ahead of the queue?

vapor matt · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:10

crazy8s said:
I'm expecting the site to crash again tbh

I am not jumping straight in with this new card, i want to see stable drivers and more reviews and also water blocks on sale. plus initial prices will be high, if i have to wait untill the new year for price scalping to stop i will.

gpuerrilla · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:10

Phate said:
I imagine like any store. It will be first come first served.

We just need some transparency on stock volume, even if its the 'few, some, lots, dream' scale on OcUK we will then know the state of play after the announcement date. Even a rough hint at how many weeks later they will have them landing in store so you can gauge if its a nov, dec or 2021 jobby.

vapor matt · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:12

Phate said:
Eh?

What do you consider "of late" ?

Drivers have been solid for months. I've owned my 5700xt since launch and have had to roll back one driver which was the May driver. Otherwise, zero issues and have seen performance improvements.

The VII at launch was awfull for drivers, so i am going to wait and see how this launch driver works out.

Phate · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:13

Th0nt said:
We just need some transparency on stock volume, even if its the 'few, some, lots, dream' scale on OcUK we will then know the state of play after the announcement date. Even a rough hint at how many weeks later they will have them landing in store so you can gauge if its a nov, dec or 2021 jobby.

You've got to remember that a lot of this is outside of OCUKs hands. Just look at the thread Gibbo is running on the 3000 series cards, its about as transparent as it gets.

Phate · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:18

vapor matt said:
The VII at launch was awfull for drivers, so i am going to wait and see how this launch driver works out.

Radeon 7 released in Feb 2019.

4 months off of 2 years ago. Is this "of late" to you?

AMD drivers are not perfect, but no worse than Nvidias at this stage, IMO. Both have issues. Both work hard to provide great support. The difference being if Nvidia has an issue, its basically forgotten about within a couple of weeks. If AMD do, queue all the people digging up past skeletons.

Phage · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:18

On the bright side the extra time gives me more savings.
I'm fully expecting price to follow performance. So if it's at 3080 levels, then it's going to be ~650

vapor matt · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:26

Phate said:
Radeon 7 released in Feb 2019.

4 months off of 2 years ago. Is this "of late" to you?

AMD drivers are not perfect, but no worse than Nvidias at this stage, IMO. Both have issues. Both work hard to provide great support. The difference being if Nvidia has an issue, its basically forgotten about within a couple of weeks. If AMD do, queue all the people digging up past skeletons.

I am just remembering my last experience with the AMD VII drivers, not had an amd card since. so from my personal view i would like to see solid drivers at launch is all i am saying. maybe not your experience with the 5700xt but my skeletons are mine.

fishyuk · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:26

Phate said:
Eh?

What do you consider "of late" ?

Drivers have been solid for months. I've owned my 5700xt since launch and have had to roll back one driver which was the May driver. Otherwise, zero issues and have seen performance improvements.

Found mine stable in games barring Gears Tactics (though not tried it for about 3 months and at the time looking about seemed a fair few NVIDIA owners had issues too). Biggest issue I had was early on with having to disable browser hardware acceleration which was a known bug but seems to have been fixed for some time now

Haggisman said:
I think it would be a mistake to price them so high to be honest.

I'm certainly interested, but I've regretted buying a 5700XT over a 2070S pretty much since I got it. Seemed like a decent option on paper; 90% of the performance for ~20% cheaper, but after 6 trouble-free years on Nvidia cards, I've had nothing but issues since. I'm still running the 19.12.1 drivers because every later version I've tried so far causes me random black screens & games crashing to desktop for no reason. I have a Freesync screen, so would make sense to stick with AMD, but the card would have to be decent value for me to take the gamble again.

If they come in at the same price as Nvidia, the performance will have to be significantly better, or I'll just wait a few months and grab a 3070/3080 (or a 2nd hand 2080ti).

I had the black screens issue for the first half of the year which was fixed by turning off browser hardware acceleration. Can't remember exactly which driver fixed that for me but its been on now for some time and not had those issues since. Only game had issues with was Gears Tactics though at the time I saw NVIDIA owners did too. Perhaps I've been fortunate but happy with my 5700xt. I got an x35 half price refurb though so really need to go NVIDIA to get the most of it (sadly not one of the Gsync monitors that will get Freesync, only new ones).

Wrinkly · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:32

OZONE said:
Is there any way we could reasonably secure one of AMD's new cards when they launch? How are OCUK going to handle this? I would love if priority went to forum members!

Then they would have to prioritise join date and post count

humbug · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:32

Snarf 0.0

LePhuronn · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:36

Scougar said:
With respect to you guys, 20GB coming, and then 20GB being cancelled was all rumour anyway, so basing an hypothesis on something that we have no real evidence for is pretty sketchy.

Pretty sure the 20GB 3080 was on a Gigabyte roadmap that was leaked by a presentation attendee.

LePhuronn · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:37

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
I'd totally be up for buying one of these new AMD cards if I wasnt locked into buying NV for G-Sync.... really woulda loved to have supported them this time around!

So sell your monitor. It's not like you have a gun to your head.

Haggisman · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:43

fishyuk said:
I had the black screens issue for the first half of the year which was fixed by turning off browser hardware acceleration. Can't remember exactly which driver fixed that for me but its been on now for some time and not had those issues since. Only game had issues with was Gears Tactics though at the time I saw NVIDIA owners did too. Perhaps I've been fortunate but happy with my 5700xt. I got an x35 half price refurb though so really need to go NVIDIA to get the most of it (sadly not one of the Gsync monitors that will get Freesync, only new ones).

My son had quite a few random crashes and black screens on the R9 390 he had as well. Replaced it with a 1650 super when it died and his PC has worked perfectly since. Maybe I've just been unlucky, but it doesn't inspire confidence. I'm by no means an Nvidia fanboy - had more ATI/AMD cards than Nvidia throughout the years, and happy to give AMD the benefit of the doubt if the price is right, but if there's nothing in it, I'm going to go for the more reliable option (at least from my experiences).

uscool · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:43

Haggisman said:
I think it would be a mistake to price them so high to be honest.

I'm certainly interested, but I've regretted buying a 5700XT over a 2070S pretty much since I got it. Seemed like a decent option on paper; 90% of the performance for ~20% cheaper, but after 6 trouble-free years on Nvidia cards, I've had nothing but issues since. I'm still running the 19.12.1 drivers because every later version I've tried so far causes me random black screens & games crashing to desktop for no reason. I have a Freesync screen, so would make sense to stick with AMD, but the card would have to be decent value for me to take the gamble again.

If they come in at the same price as Nvidia, the performance will have to be significantly better, or I'll just wait a few months and grab a 3070/3080 (or a 2nd hand 2080ti).

Just out of interest what games you had issues with ? I've had the 5700xt sapphire nitro+ se for around 9 months bought it used £280 never had issues only issues I've had is trying to overclock it too much or trying to undervolt while trying to squeeze the most MHz out of it

I actually prefer the whole layout of the AMD software and features set also can overclock from it

Phate · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:44

vapor matt said:
I am just remembering my last experience with the AMD VII drivers, not had an amd card since. so from my personal view i would like to see solid drivers at launch is all i am saying. maybe not your experience with the 5700xt but my skeletons are mine.

And I'm saying that their drivers are far more stable now compared to what they were then. You and others do yourselves no favours by dwelling on the then. Taking a look at the 5700xt thread shows many people singing praises about the drivers and their performance from now.

LePhuronn · 26 Oct 2020 at 09:45

vapor matt said:
I am just remembering my last experience with the AMD VII drivers, not had an amd card since. so from my personal view i would like to see solid drivers at launch is all i am saying. maybe not your experience with the 5700xt but my skeletons are mine.

So you've not had an AMD card in 2 years, so how exactly would you know what the driver situation is like? Sounds like fixating on a single bad experience rather than an objective opinion. Yes, if you had a bad experience then it's going to colour your view, and rightly it should, but don't you think it's just a little small-minded to assume things are still bad just because of 1 bad thing 2 years ago? Sounds silly to me, and nothing a little research couldn't have resolved.