AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I'd totally be up for buying one of these new AMD cards if I wasnt locked into buying NV for G-Sync.... really woulda loved to have supported them this time around!

I can sympathise with this issue because when I bought my Freesync 4K IPs monitor I knew I would be locked out of Nvidia. Though I had always knew that Nvidia locking out Freesync was a driver rather than hardware level because VRR is part of DP 1.4 specs. The VRR battle was won by Freesync (VRR) because people voted with their money, £100+ for G-Synch tax was just too much for most. This is proof that if people vote with their wallet then Nvidia have no option but to follow the money.

 

[Haggisman]

Just out of interest what games you had issues with ? I've had the 5700xt sapphire nitro+ se for around 9 months bought it used £280 never had issues only issues I've had is trying to overclock it too much or trying to undervolt while trying to squeeze the most MHz out of it

I actually prefer the whole layout of the AMD software and features set also can overclock from it

PUBG
The Division - this was the worst, with the new drivers it would consistently crash within 5 minutes
The Division 2
Assassin's Creed Unity
Remote Desktop Connection

It's pretty stable at the moment with the older drivers - but even now I still get the odd random crash when playing RDR2, and every few days my screen will randomly go black and I'll have to push Ctrl+Shift+Win+B to reset the graphics driver.

My son was having issues on Just Cause 3 + 4 - nowhere near as bad as mine, but still would crash for no reason every few hours.

Edit: Yes, I agree with the functionality of the software, I far prefer it to the Nvidia drivers/Geforce experience, but if it isn't stable, then it doesn't matter how good it is (and lets be honest, how often do you actually use the driver software? A few tweaks on first install, and when they add new features, other than that it should be set up & forget)

 

[LePhuronn]

I'm going to go for the more reliable option (at least from my experiences).

So AMD have a history of spotty driver stability, Nvidia have a very recent history of faulty VRAM, erratic capacitors and other hardware failures, yet it's the latter that is the "more reliable option" to you?

 

[vapor matt]

And I'm saying that their drivers are far more stable now compared to what they were then. You and others do yourselves no favours by dwelling on the then. Taking a look at the 5700xt thread shows many people singing praises about the drivers and their performance from now.

So you've not had an AMD card in 2 years, so how exactly would you know what the driver situation is like? Sounds like fixating on a single bad experience rather than an objective opinion. Yes, if you had a bad experience then it's going to colour your view, and rightly it should, but don't you think it's just a little small-minded to assume things are still bad just because of 1 bad thing 2 years ago? Sounds silly to me, and nothing a little research couldn't have resolved.

Well i hope your right, as i would like to go AMD again, so will see how this launch goes with performance and driver stability.

 

[Haggisman]

So AMD have a history of spotty driver stability, Nvidia have a very recent history of faulty VRAM, erratic capacitors and other hardware instability, yet it's the latter that is the "more reliable option" to you?

I had a 750ti, then a 970, then a 980ti.. and didn't have a single issue over the ~5-6 years I had them for, compared to the constant GPU driver crashes over the past 18 months I've had the 5700xt... yes, I'll go with Nvidia being more reliable

 

[B1gbeard]

We have said this particularly on the AMD threads as it tends to have more AMD buyers adding their thoughts (still attracts the nvidia worshippers as they like a good troll). I agree with you.

A handful of brainwashed folk - that as you rightly put - will never buy an AMD card anyway, have this fallacy that its AMD's fault prices are high and they only want them to compete performance wise (as they misunderstand) that its going to drop nvidias high prices for them to buy another nvidia card for cheaper. Thats the beef of the nonsense.

Surely what you are calling fallacy is just simple business 101. If you control a market you charge what you want. If AMD were competitive prices would be lower all-round (although that could be the fallacy as maybe AMD will not price competitively).

Nvidia and Intel threads are no different. In fact AMD trolls have been somewhat worse over the last few years especially in the CPU section.

 

[Phate]

A friend of mine got a 5700xt the same time as me, kept complaining about drivers and garbage software etc, riddled with issues, said he regretted the card.
About 3 months ago he replaced his PSU and its been 100% stable since and hes gone very very quiet on the matter.

I do wonder if RDNA1 was particularly sensitive to PSUs and their delivery? hmmm. Its not like he had a bad PSU either, it was just a decade old.

 

[gpuerrilla]

You've got to remember that a lot of this is outside of OCUKs hands. Just look at the thread Gibbo is running on the 3000 series cards, its about as transparent as it gets.

Its a nudge to keep the forum users in the know, as with the drab handling of the 3000 cards many were upset, and yes they could have handled it a bit better. So in hoping they have learned something from that, all it takes is instead of the usual :wink: emote, this time round a post to indicate stock is on its way, and a hint as and when so it doesnt break NDA etc is not much to ask tbh.

 

[vapor matt]

So AMD have a history of spotty driver stability, Nvidia have a very recent history of faulty VRAM, erratic capacitors and other hardware failures, yet it's the latter that is the "more reliable option" to you?

So you've not had an AMD card in 2 years, so how exactly would you know what the driver situation is like? Sounds like fixating on a single bad experience rather than an objective opinion. Yes, if you had a bad experience then it's going to colour your view, and rightly it should, but don't you think it's just a little small-minded to assume things are still bad just because of 1 bad thing 2 years ago? Sounds silly to me, and nothing a little research couldn't have resolved.

Its not 2 years ago its closer to 18 months ago, plus i had the VII for a good while, had a good few months of driver updates and issues, so about a year ago i parted with it so 2 years is way off to compare driver experiences. I hope they have improved in that year.

 

[humbug]

Just out of interest what games you had issues with ? I've had the 5700xt sapphire nitro+ se for around 9 months bought it used £280 never had issues only issues I've had is trying to overclock it too much or trying to undervolt while trying to squeeze the most MHz out of it

I actually prefer the whole layout of the AMD software and features set also can overclock from it

Yeah AMD's software is much better, i love the UI and how everything is in one app, not split between something from Windows Vista and Windows 98, and its packed with useful features.

Nvidia need to do a complete rework on theirs.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Surely what you are calling fallacy is just simple business 101. If you control a market you charge what you want. If AMD were competitive prices would be lower all-round (although that could be the fallacy as maybe AMD will not price competitively).

Nvidia and Intel threads are no different. In fact AMD trolls have been somewhat worse over the last few years especially in the CPU section.

You just answered this yourself, take a look at the latest Ryzen launch prices. AMD have the cards on that now, so instead of what you mentioned "prices would be lower all-round" this is not the pattern any longer. So you see by AMD offering strong competition, it doesnt lower nvidias prices if at all, so people have been parping incorrect assumptions when they trumpeted this narrative.

 

[B1gbeard]

You just answered this yourself, take a look at the latest Ryzen launch prices. AMD have the cards on that now, so instead of what you mentioned "prices would be lower all-round" this is not the pattern any longer. So you see by AMD offering strong competition, it doesnt lower nvidias prices if at all, so people have been parping incorrect assumptions when they trumpeted this narrative.

Intel have been lowering prices though have they not? It looks like it. Still not to where we may like but there has been a shift in the CPU sector. Are you saying Nvidia will just not lower prices whatever AMD do?

 

[uscool]

Yeah AMD's software is much better, i love the UI and how everything is in one app, not split between something from Windows Vista and Windows 98, and its packed with useful features.

Nvidia need to do a complete rework on theirs.

Exactly , only niggle I have if only could set the fan speed lower than %15

 

[JediFragger]

If AMD want the marketshare then they'll come in under with more vRam, if they are going to be limited by capacity (as suspected) then they'll be closer in price.

 

[humbug]

Exactly , only niggle I have if only could set the fan speed lower than %15

Turn 0 Fan mode on?

Anyway.... i did have some minor issues with mine when i first got it, but a few driver revisions later it was rock solid, 5700XT, it lives with someone else now but i had no complaints in the last couple of months.

I expect some driver niggles, had them with the 1070 too.

 

[Tiny_D]

The VII at launch was awfull for drivers, so i am going to wait and see how this launch driver works out.

The latest Nvidia driver had loads of bugs and problems for me, guess the sky is falling.
This AMD driver thing is so glass half empty stuff, get over it, its in the past and fixed if you want to hold your yard stick value to Nvidia as well? Then I guess your never gonna buy a GPU again!

 

[Kashinoda]

Yeah AMD's software is much better, i love the UI and how everything is in one app, not split between something from Windows Vista and Windows 98, and its packed with useful features.

Nvidia need to do a complete rework on theirs.

Sorry but AMD's software is awful, it can't do the most basic things such as change resolution or monitor refresh rate.

Not to mention how cumbersome it is to get to where you want to go.

It's another case of design over functionality, I'll take Nvidia's implemtation over it every time.

 

[shankly1985]

Sorry but AMD's software is awful, it can't do the most basic things such as change resolution or monitor refresh rate.

Not to mention how cumbersome it is to get to where you want to go.

It's another case of design over functionality, I'll take Nvidia's implemtation over it every time.

Each to there own on this one. Basic functions like resolution and refresh rates are handled by the OS
You can create custom resolution and refresh rates that you can apply to games.

Nit picking here I feel tbh Radeon Software has a lot of handy features that nvidia doesn't have per-game overclocking or down to media control editing/recording or even streaming they is a lot within the software that is very good.

At first I could agree getting around can be abit confusing for someone new to it but once you get used to it it's really not that hard to figure out.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

Yeah AMD's software is much better, i love the UI and how everything is in one app, not split between something from Windows Vista and Windows 98, and its packed with useful features.

Nvidia need to do a complete rework on theirs.

Wasn't there some sort of leaked preview of a new Nvidia one many years ago with an OC tool built in and a more modern user interface? Clearly never came to pass.

 

[LtMatt]

Sorry but AMD's software is awful, it can't do the most basic things such as change resolution or monitor refresh rate.

Windows Display Properties.

 

[Shiari]

Pretty sure the 20GB 3080 was on a Gigabyte roadmap that was leaked by a presentation attendee.

And that makes it a confirmed fact in what way exactly? It's not like there was a press release with an annoucement of these things coming.