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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Sorry but AMD's software is awful, it can't do the most basic things such as change resolution or monitor refresh rate.

Not to mention how cumbersome it is to get to where you want to go.

It's another case of design over functionality, I'll take Nvidia's implemtation over it every time.

Open the advanced option at the bottom of display, you will find everything in there, including overclocking the display.

You can also set frame rate targets in Radeon Chill
 
Each to there own on this one. Basic functions like resolution and refresh rates are handled by the OS
You can create custom resolution and refresh rates that you can apply to games.

Nit picking here I feel tbh Radeon Software has a lot of handy features that nvidia doesn't have per-game overclocking or down to media control editing/recording or even streaming they is a lot within the software that is very good.

At first I could agree getting around can be abit confusing for someone new to it but once you get used to it it's really not that hard to figure out.

It's a lot of clicks within Windows 10 to actually get to the screen where you can change your refresh rate. It's a pain in the bum not to have that within the GPU software, especially when you're playing around with overclocking etc.

The Pixel Format and Colour Depth control is also terrible, the software has no idea what bandwidth limitations are for your setup so lets you choose unsupported configurations which instantly reset. Not to mention there's no colour preview.

Screen resizing? Forget it :D

No doubt there are some useful functions but it's missing so many basic features that the old suite used to have and nVidia does have. It's not been a pleasant experience using it on my HTPC.
 
It's a lot of clicks within Windows 10 to actually get to the screen where you can change your refresh rate. It's a pain in the bum not to have that within the GPU software, especially when you're playing around with overclocking etc.

The Pixel Format and Colour Depth control is also terrible, the software has no idea what bandwidth limitations are for your setup so lets you choose unsupported configurations which instantly reset. Not to mention there's no colour preview.

Screen resizing? Forget it :D

No doubt there are some useful functions but it's missing so many basic features that the old suite used to have and nVidia does have. It's not been a pleasant experience using it on my HTPC.

Windows 10 October update fixes this now refresh rate is all in one window.

Colour preview?
Alt-z and watch the game/video on the fly change you can even set it up per application want Csgo more washed you can do want a horror game with more darker black you can do.
 
It's a lot of clicks within Windows 10 to actually get to the screen where you can change your refresh rate. It's a pain in the bum not to have that within the GPU software, especially when you're playing around with overclocking etc.

The Pixel Format and Colour Depth control is also terrible, the software has no idea what bandwidth limitations are for your setup so lets you choose unsupported configurations which instantly reset. Not to mention there's no colour preview.

Screen resizing? Forget it :D

No doubt there are some useful functions but it's missing so many basic features that the old suite used to have and nVidia does have. It's not been a pleasant experience using it on my HTPC.

So you do know where it is, no advanced display tool will stop you selecting unsupported options, the whole point of tools like that is to allow you full control for experimentation.
 
This has probably been asked before so apologies in advance, but, with the RDNA2 release due on the 28th oct, are there going to be any reviews for these cards released before the 28th oct? I don't want to buy summat without any info to peruse beforehand.
 
This has probably been asked before so apologies in advance, but, with the RDNA2 release due on the 28th oct, are there going to be any reviews for these cards released before the 28th oct? I don't want to buy summat without any info to peruse beforehand.

No one knows, AMD have not yet given a date for release or reviews, they might in the event.
 
And that makes it a confirmed fact in what way exactly?
Who said anything about a confirmed fact? I certainly didn't. It's supporting evidence to give the rumour more credence. Many people have said it was 100% made up with zero evidence to support it. I simply pointed out there was a leaked camera phone picture from a presentation attendee clearly showing a Gigabyte roadmap with a 20GB 3080 SKU on it.

Also, Gigabyte also posted the full SKU list of Ampere cards that are eligible for their Watch Dogs: Legion promotion in the T&Cs of their promo web page. Some of those codes very strongly suggest 16GB and 20GB variations of the 3070 and 3080. For example GV-N3080GAMING OC-10GD and GV-N3080EAGLE OC-10GD are the codes for the 3080 Gaming and Eagle SKUs. Put them into a Google and the Gigabyte product page comes up. So what do you think GV-N3080GAMING OC-20GD and GV-N3080EAGLE OC-20GD would denote, also listed as eligible cards for game redemption in the T&Cs?

So no, there is no such thing as confirmed fact until it's...well...confirmed, but you're in a speculation thread and a few people have dismissed the higher memory capacity Ampere cards as pure speculation that the rumour mill made up and cancelled, despite actual evidence existing to support the rumour.

if you want confirmed facts then I suggest you avoid speculation threads, you're not getting what you seek from these corners of the forums.
 
Turn 0 Fan mode on? :)

Anyway.... i did have some minor issues with mine when i first got it, but a few driver revisions later it was rock solid, 5700XT, it lives with someone else now but i had no complaints in the last couple of months.

I expect some driver niggles, had them with the 1070 too.

You cant set zero fan with custom fan curves , with zero fans enabled just doing general tasks and browsing fans off the temps rise to 60c and the fans kick in spin around 770rpm and temps drop to 50c and the fans stop but only for the temp to rise again so just repeats itself probably me being OCD but I can hear them slighly over case fans so would be better if I could set them to spin at 500rpm this will keep the temps down for general use and also not hear them its not the biggest problem when you hear people say all sorts of issues with AMD drivers :eek:

I guess I could maybe try MSI afterburner but prefer to do everything in 1 place , the last card i had was the Gigabyte 980ti fans only kicked in when gaming
 
One thing is for sure, if AMD's new offerings are close to NV in performance they will need to start off with a solid driver to show its potential. Solid driver updates will also be needed, No flaky performance from the off with the promise to get things working at a later date. AMD's driver record has not been great of late.

yeah but you got to remember the fine wine argument.

Drivers might be dog turds to begin with but age well.
 
Intel have been lowering prices though have they not? It looks like it. Still not to where we may like but there has been a shift in the CPU sector. Are you saying Nvidia will just not lower prices whatever AMD do?

Well thats bully for them as they have needed to drop their prices for years IMO, they have not improved much since the Haswell days, but my point being - AMD were/are seen as the value choice because they had to be cheaper to be a consideration, at least in the DIY segment, and now they have products that are competing in the basic features (clockspeed, IPC, Cores) they are charging for it. The same is applying to the dGPU market if anything it is flipping over to nvidia to start offering better features and realistic pricing to justify their products. So circling back to point, no AMD wont be much cheaper (I would like them to be) but to the people that just buy nvidia regardless, its wrong to say they are expensive "because AMD reasons.."

Are you saying Nvidia will just not lower prices whatever AMD do?

This is classic strawmanning @TNA :) but if I was being baited into that - take a look at the prices of the 2060, 2070 from 16 months ago. Do you think they have come down at all (discount the Supers as this skews the argument, they came later)? No they have not, so even though AMD had the 5700 and the 5700XT which were the better buy on prices/performance, nvidia didnt really budge on pricing...
 
Windows 10 October update fixes this now refresh rate is all in one window.

Colour preview?
Alt-z and watch the game/video on the fly change you can even set it up per application want Csgo more washed you can do want a horror game with more darker black you can do.

It's not a case of me not knowing how to get to those features is it, it's QOL stuff that's missing.

Like if I want to create a custom resolution in nVidia then change the position of it (which my brother has to do for his projector) then it's incredibly easy to do. From what I can see within the AMD suite, this is impossible.

So you do know where it is, no advanced display tool will stop you selecting unsupported options, the whole point of tools like that is to allow you full control for experimentation.

It's not an advanced setting, it's a standard display setting :D There's no experimentation when it comes to colour depth too, either you have the bandwidth and your monitor supports it - or you don't. It's not refresh rate overclocking, there's phyiscal limitations here.

My nVidia control panel understands my setup correctly.

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Not sure why you're both batting for AMD here, implementing these features into the software would make it better. It's okay to say it's not the be all and end all.
 
I don't think @Kashinoda knows what he is talking about unfortunately. :confused::eek::o
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Yeah sure.

My Samsung Q80R TV can't do 8bit RGB 4:4:4 according to Radeon.

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But if I change my resolution twice in Windows, I.e. back to where we started. I can now change my Pixel Format:

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I'm not talking out of my arse here.

Compare that to nVidia control panel:

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EDIt -

And here's the kicker, I've set the Pixel Format to 4:2:0 @ 10bit in Radeon, but it's instead set to 8bit. My display has no problems with 12bit 4:2:0 which is how I had it setup before debating this inane subject with you :D

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Fantastic usability.
 
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Well thats bully for them as they have needed to drop their prices for years IMO, they have not improved much since the Haswell days, but my point being - AMD were/are seen as the value choice because they had to be cheaper to be a consideration, at least in the DIY segment, and now they have products that are competing in the basic features (clockspeed, IPC, Cores) they are charging for it. The same is applying to the dGPU market if anything it is flipping over to nvidia to start offering better features and realistic pricing to justify their products. So circling back to point, no AMD wont be much cheaper (I would like them to be) but to the people that just buy nvidia regardless, its wrong to say they are expensive "because AMD reasons.."



This is classic strawmanning @TNA :) but if I was being baited into that - take a look at the prices of the 2060, 2070 from 16 months ago. Do you think they have come down at all (discount the Supers as this skews the argument, they came later)? No they have not, so even though AMD had the 5700 and the 5700XT which were the better buy on prices/performance, nvidia didnt really budge on pricing...

Strawman? Huh? Do you know what it means? I never said anything about Nvidia budging on price, I said Intel did though. Saying that I am sure the Super's you talk about were released in answer to those AMD cards although I honestly can't be arsed to look. I feel though that they did budge at the lower end in answer to some AMD cards. What they probably did was release the Super that just about squeezed out the AMD cards and charged a bit more. That's Nvidia for you.

My point is that I don't think it is viable for AMD to just release a card that is competitive to a 3080 and sell it for the same price. They have every right to, but to gain market share they need to be cheaper. the Ryzen were the budget option at first as they were slower but I think a similar approach is needed. Not stupidly cheaper but certainly something to make people think.
 
I see.

4K 120HZ monitor? Little confused as your Nvidia screenshot shows different. But i think if you change the refresh rate in Windows to 60HZ, then the correct bit depth will be detected first time without you having to change the resolution twice.

Don't know anything about your setup, but will assume you're using an AMD GPU that supports HDMI 2.0 and up to 4K 60HZ.
 
This has probably been asked before so apologies in advance, but, with the RDNA2 release due on the 28th oct, are there going to be any reviews for these cards released before the 28th oct? I don't want to buy summat without any info to peruse beforehand.

I don't think it's available on the 28th.
 
I see.

4K 120HZ monitor? Little confused as your Nvidia screenshot shows different. But i think if you change the refresh rate in Windows to 60HZ, then the correct bit depth will be detected first time without you having to change the resolution twice.

Don't know anything about your setup, but will assume you're using an AMD GPU that supports HDMI 2.0 and up to 4K 60HZ.

Think you hit the nail on the head here.
 
Strawman? Huh? Do you know what it means? I never said anything about Nvidia budging on price, I said Intel did though. Saying that I am sure the Super's you talk about were released in answer to those AMD cards although I honestly can't be arsed to look. I feel though that they did budge at the lower end in answer to some AMD cards. What they probably did was release the Super that just about squeezed out the AMD cards and charged a bit more. That's Nvidia for you.

My point is that I don't think it is viable for AMD to just release a card that is competitive to a 3080 and sell it for the same price. They have every right to, but to gain market share they need to be cheaper. the Ryzen were the budget option at first as they were slower but I think a similar approach is needed. Not stupidly cheaper but certainly something to make people think.

I agree on them two points. 1) The Supers were released as the AMD cards were too much of a threat where people can easily distinguish how close they were yet AMD were slightly cheaper. 2) We dont want AMD to charge the same as nvidia.

Where #2 is not in anyones hands and could be hard cheese for us consumers, is AMD know nvidia cannot deliver enough stock, and if interest picks up (People see AMD have an equal product in performance) the herd just moves on and they sell fast even at nvidia prices. I think we are all hoping for the historically normal case that AMD would sit between £50-100 cheaper for their units answer to the nvidia one.
 
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