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*** AMD "Navi 3X" (RDNA 3 discussion thread) ***

AMD like Nvidia will give you the performance they think is worthy at the price point. if they want to slow a card down by giving it lower Pci-e bandwidth they will do so. Why cut back the chip more when they can simply limit it through the interface if indeed the card has more to give in the first place.

But I won't buy. Because the decision about the purchase comes from me, it is not a process with one direction in which AMD dictates all conditions. It isn't ok and is ugly.
 
Very bad behavior from AMD on their mid-low end cards. They are cutting the bus and other features as much as they can and then they clock the cards as high as they can to make their performance somehow attractive. Instead of giving you a 15-20% overclock potential, you get a card that is pushed to the limits from the factory.
 
Very bad behavior from AMD on their mid-low end cards. They are cutting the bus and other features as much as they can and then they clock the cards as high as they can to make their performance somehow attractive. Instead of giving you a 15-20% overclock potential, you get a card that is pushed to the limits from the factory.

Yeah, this ^^.
AMD is NOT in the position to do shenanigans. AMD offers slower products overall and AMD has lower market share overall.
I'd recommend AMD to start increasing the performance of the products it offers, not the opposite - to decrease that performance.
 
Yeah, this ^^.
AMD is NOT in the position to do shenanigans. AMD offers slower products overall and AMD has lower market share overall.
I'd recommend AMD to start increasing the performance of the products it offers, not the opposite - to decrease that performance.


But but but... AMD is going to give them a 7900xt next time with 3 x the performance of a 6900xt :cry:...

3x to 4x the price too at the fake msrp:rolleyes::cry: if even true, which I doubt as any such card would end up as a server gpu not a gaming gpu and if true again be ready to invest in a £400 psu too that of course at the time will be scalped to double.... related to this thread here :- https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/rx-7900xt-15-360-cores-mcm-tapeout-q4.18933812/
 
But but but... AMD is going to give them a 7900xt next time with 3 x the performance of a 6900xt :cry:...

3x to 4x the price too at the fake msrp:rolleyes::cry: if even true, which I doubt as any such card would end up as a server gpu not a gaming gpu and if true again be ready to invest in a £400 psu too that of course at the time will be scalped to double.... related to this thread here :- https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/rx-7900xt-15-360-cores-mcm-tapeout-q4.18933812/

But Nvidia promises supply issues will ease down later this year:

NVIDIA Says GPU Shortages Are Going To Ease Down in 2H 2022, Right Before Next-Gen GeForce RTX 40 Series Hits Market Shelves (wccftech.com)
NVIDIA Says GPU Shortages Are Going To Ease Down in 2H 2022
 
But Nvidia promises supply issues will ease down later this year:

NVIDIA Says GPU Shortages Are Going To Ease Down in 2H 2022, Right Before Next-Gen GeForce RTX 40 Series Hits Market Shelves (wccftech.com)
NVIDIA Says GPU Shortages Are Going To Ease Down in 2H 2022


Watch this :- https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nvidia-ce...logy-force-the-world-has-known-161048127.html

Watch the video from 14mins 30 secs in that link what Jensen Huang says.


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I'll believe it when I see it... Now back to reality and what they are doing.. click links below.


https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-cards-listed-for-at-least-3654


https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-sold-out-instantly-japa-400-dollars


Also next round of cards will start at an all new FE msrp (of course will be fake again and scalped again)..


4080 FE $1000-$1200 MSRP for sure next time

4080Ti FE $1500-$1750 MSRP

4090 FE $2000-$2500 MSRP or a Titan 40RTX at $2500-$3000

4090Ti FE $2500-$3000 MSRP or a Titan 40RTXp at $3000-$3500

But I think 4090 class cards will not exist and will be Titan cards next time, this time because AMD messed up Nvidia's plans is why we got a 3090 type card.


Go read what AMD has done with Epyc cpu pricing recently...

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...0-to-30-intels-sapphire-rapids-delayed-report


They will soon be 50% more expensive.


Also I will link you to this post and what I said there :- https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35306709/
 
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Very bad behavior from AMD on their mid-low end cards. They are cutting the bus and other features as much as they can and then they clock the cards as high as they can to make their performance somehow attractive. Instead of giving you a 15-20% overclock potential, you get a card that is pushed to the limits from the factory.
There's simply no need for x16 in lower end cards.
8x PCIe v4 gives same bandwidth as 16x PCIe v3 and if PCIe v5 comes out, x4 has same bandwidth as x16 PCIe v3.

Here's high end card bus bandwidth scaling test.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/27.html


And using smaller chip clocked high gives higher production volume per wafer than bigger chips at loose clocks.
Or would you prefer even worser GPU availability?
 
There's simply no need for x16 in lower end cards.
8x PCIe v4 gives same bandwidth as 16x PCIe v3 and if PCIe v5 comes out, x4 has same bandwidth as x16 PCIe v3.

Here's high end card bus bandwidth scaling test.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/27.html


And using smaller chip clocked high gives higher production volume per wafer than bigger chips at loose clocks.
Or would you prefer even worser GPU availability?


The problem is these are cards aimed at the budget market and budget market users will probably be on PCIe 3.0 motherboards and most motherboards are PCIe 3.0 and only recent years we had PCIe 4.0 and now 5.0 and soon-ish 6.0 https://pcisig.com/pci-express-6.0-specification.


The problem will rear it's ugly head on the PCIE 3.0 motherboards with this type card with only 4 lanes.
 
The problem is these are cards aimed at the budget market and budget market users will probably be on PCIe 3.0 motherboards and most motherboards are PCIe 3.0 and only recent years we had PCIe 4.0 and now 5.0 and soon-ish 6.0 https://pcisig.com/pci-express-6.0-specification.
That's really issue only for hobbyers updating old PCs.
We have to remember that huge majority of all PCs are supermarket PCs and those are usually designed as whole.
 
Also next round of cards will start at an all new FE msrp (of course will be fake again and scalped again)..


4080 FE $1000-$1200 MSRP for sure next time

4080Ti FE $1500-$1750 MSRP

4090 FE $2000-$2500 MSRP or a Titan 40RTX at $2500-$3000

4090Ti FE $2500-$3000 MSRP or a Titan 40RTXp at $3000-$3500

But I think 4090 class cards will not exist and will be Titan cards next time, this time because AMD messed up Nvidia's plans is why we got a 3090 type card.


Go read what AMD has done with Epyc cpu pricing recently...

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...0-to-30-intels-sapphire-rapids-delayed-report


They will soon be 50% more expensive.


Also I will link you to this post and what I said there :- https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/35306709/

If AMD, Intel and Nvidia want to bankrupt their graphics businesses, they are free to try infinite prices rises, it is a balloon that will explode and they will not like it :D

I know that their management teams are stupid and hate sustainability, but we have a society to serve and this society says no.
 
If AMD, Intel and Nvidia want to bankrupt their graphics businesses, they are free to try infinite prices rises, it is a balloon that will explode and they will not like it :D

I know that their management teams are stupid and hate sustainability, but we have a society to serve and this society says no.

Society said yes and paid the silly prices at 2x and 3x msrp and always out of stock, they sold out so fast as we saw and Nvidia has sold more cards than ever this generation and still people on waiting preorder lists for over a year. As stated before...

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Society said yes and paid the silly prices at 2x and 3x msrp and always out of stock, they sold out so fast as we saw and Nvidia has sold more cards than ever this generation and still people on waiting preorder lists for over a year. As stated before...

Look at the thread "Did you already give up on new graphics card". Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU? | Page 189 | Overclockers UK Forums

"Out of stock" means nothing if we don't know the real sales numbers.
 
Infinity cache quadrupled from 128 MB to 512 MB.
Texture rate up from to 648.0 GTexel/s to 1,920 GTexel/s.
Shaders up from 4,608 to 15,360.
Certainly a very strong signal that AMD wish to compete at the top of the market.

Prices and availability are the big unknown. But even if wafer supplies improve - even if consoles are being re-spun it should hopefully be for 6nm while these should be on 5nm - that does not mean supply will be plentiful. Simple fact is, at 5nm the same thing will apply: even the cheapest 5nm Zen4 CPU (let's say an Athlon of which they haven't even released any Zen3 variants yet) will have higher margins per wafer area than any GPU.

On the other hand, it seems crazy to design these big RDNA3 cards (and the sunk cost of 5nm GPUs will be huge) and then not allocate any wafers for them. However, AMD have done this (design a chip and then barely ship it) before, so what do I know?
 
Certainly a very strong signal that AMD wish to compete at the top of the market.

Prices and availability are the big unknown. But even if wafer supplies improve - even if consoles are being re-spun it should hopefully be for 6nm while these should be on 5nm - that does not mean supply will be plentiful. Simple fact is, at 5nm the same thing will apply: even the cheapest 5nm Zen4 CPU (let's say an Athlon of which they haven't even released any Zen3 variants yet) will have higher margins per wafer area than any GPU.

On the other hand, it seems crazy to design these big RDNA3 cards (and the sunk cost of 5nm GPUs will be huge) and then not allocate any wafers for them. However, AMD have done this (design a chip and then barely ship it) before, so what do I know?

I think that it depends on the crazy bitcoin mining demand. There are already signs that things get slowly improvement, the graphics cards prices are lower.
 
Those specs don't make it look like a monster, just an expected normal next gen jump.
The per gen jumps have been 20-50% for a few years, AMD did not even do a high end last gen and the jump from a 5700xt to a 1900xt was ~50% (maybe more?) so if the next jump is 100% or more over the 1900xt then that = a monster, Its been a long time since we got 100% jump over the last gen high end.
 
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