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Obviously, but usually people dont give a crap about intel or nvidia, it's amd that attracts....fans.
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I think because you favour intel and nvidia thats why it comes across that way , I couldnt tell you what attracts what maybe because I couldnt care for any of them all I want is all of them to be competing so I can get better deal if just one was ahead of the rest, yes I want AMD to have a GPU that competes against the 4090 would that make me fanboy of AMD no , its because I dont want any of them alone to dictate
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What? I don't. Especially nvidia, hate them with a passion. But if they make better products, I buy them. That's it
You put a huge amount of energy running defence and advocacy for both Nvidia and Intel, you even defend Nvidia's pricing strategy, the extent to which you make arguments in favour of Intel or Nvidia are quite often frankly bonkers.
must have miss understood the way you seem to defend the value of the 4070ti ? I couldnt care which is slightly better offering because both are pricing them ridiculously Ideally I dont want anyone buying either of them and to give any positive spin on either wouldnt sit right with me
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Of course, and I would do the same for amd or apple. I defend facts and reality, not a specific company. It's just that usually it's amd fans that make the craziest stuff up. I mean, there is the obvious 4070ti example, best priced card of this generation, but everyone lost their minds about it. In the same time, AMD charges you more for the 7900XT, LOL
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Im not defending it's value, im defending nvidia cause amd is worse when it comes to pricing this time around but there are hundreds of pages about nvidias pricing. I find it absurd.
The 4070Ti is every bit as bad as the 7900XT.
What's the worst priced card? I suppose for you that is still the 7900XT, right?
You're chewing on this for too long, it should be obvious.
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7900xt and 4080, they both fight hard to win the spot
The issue is, 4080 / xtx are kinda halo products, so it doesn't matter as much. The XT is supposed to be the more affordable card, so I expected much better value from it. The XTX convincingly beats the 4080 in raster while costing less, which means the XTX is the better product for the user that doesn't care about RT or the rest of the nvidia features. I mean the raster / $ of the XTX is pretty good.
The XT on the other hand can't even do that properly, since it offers worse raster / $ than the 4070ti. That I consider nuts, since AMD is lagging behind RT and other features, you at least expect their cards to pummel nvidia in raster / $.
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To add to the above, bottomline is, if I didn't care about RT I could see myself buying the XTX over the 4080. But there is no way I could buy the XT over the 4070ti, not in current prices. If / when the XT costs 100-150€ les than the 4070ti, ill consider it.
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And yet you seem to have unwittingly disproved that notion ...
7900xt and 4080, they both fight hard to win the spot
The issue is, 4080 / xtx are kinda halo products, so it doesn't matter as much. The XT is supposed to be the more affordable card, so I expected much better value from it. The XTX convincingly beats the 4080 in raster while costing less, which means the XTX is the better product for the user that doesn't care about RT or the rest of the nvidia features. I mean the raster / $ of the XTX is pretty good.
The XT on the other hand can't even do that properly, since it offers worse raster / $ than the 4070ti. That I consider nuts, since AMD is lagging behind RT and other features, you at least expect their cards to pummel nvidia in raster / $.
The 4080 isn't even much better in RT.
Its around 50% better in Raster and RT than the 3080 its replaced, while being over 70% more expensive, it has the honour of being the fist card ever, i think, to have a lower cost to performance ratio than the card its succeeded. It is in that sense the most important product in our world, and people like you want to detract our attention from it to an AMD product that it is a stretch to argue is worse than another of this generation of Nvidia products.
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When you see me accusing amd of something that the court found them not guilty for, and then claim they were bribed on top of it to build a fab, you might have a pointAnd yet you seem to have unwittingly disproved that notion ...
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How much faster or more expensive it is from the 3080 is irrelevant. I mean if the 3080 was a terrible card, then the 4080 would be 100% better than it. Effectively what your comparison does is punishing nvidia for releasing a great xx80 card last gen. I mean that's common sense.
More mental gymnastics, this is what i'm talking about when i say "bonkers"
The 3080 was fairly priced for what it was, it was similar priced to its previous generations, it was nothing special, we are not talking about something that was unusually cheap and the 4080 is just bringing pricing normality back.
Its a terrible card for its money, you would actually use the word "shocking" to describe it, from £700 to £1200.
Its an £800 card, change my mind...
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Again, what you think of the 3080 is irrelevant. Making comparisons like that is absurd cause instead of looking at the current product, you are basing it's value on the previous gen product. But if the previous gen product was HORRIBLE, then your current product will look great, even though it might be average.
Other than that I don't know why you keep arguing about something we agree on, 4080 has bad value. Never argued otherwise. But the 4070ti doesn't - or to put it better -- it offers the best value out of all new cards. Yet people go crazy about it, while AMD has the 7900xt which is way worse.