AMD on the road to recovery.

[Bencher]

Its an £800 card, change my mind...

If the 4080 is 800 then how much is the XT and the XTX?

See that's exactly what im talking about and why I constantly have to defend amd. Cause of fans like you ignoring amd's HORRIBLE pricing and just targeting nvidia. Yes, the 4080 should be 800 while the XT is priced at 1k, makes sense

 

[gpuerrilla]

If the 4080 is 800 then how much is the XT and the XTX?

PMSL. Every opportunity the deflection tactics come out to play. But but AMD... just answer the direct question.

 

[humbug]

Again, what you think of the 3080 is irrelevant. Making comparisons like that is absurd cause instead of looking at the current product, you are basing it's value on the previous gen product. But if the previous gen product was HORRIBLE, then your current product will look great, even though it might be average.

Other than that I don't know why you keep arguing about something we agree on, 4080 has bad value. Never argued otherwise. But the 4070ti doesn't - or to put it better -- it offers the best value out of all new cards. Yet people go crazy about it, while AMD has the 7900xt which is way worse.

This gibberish makes no sense.... now i have questions.

What do you think i think of the 3080?

But if the previous gen product was HORRIBLE, then your current product will look great

The 3080 was not horrible, do you think it was horrible? You're using a justification that even you don't agree with, "bonkers"

If the 4080 is 800 then how much is the XT and the XTX?

See that's exactly what im talking about and why I constantly have to defend amd. Cause of fans like you ignoring amd's HORRIBLE pricing and just targeting nvidia. Yes, the 4080 should be 800 while the XT is priced at 1k, makes sense

The XT less than £800, certainly. You're changing the subject.

 

[Anth-h90]

If the 4080 is 800 then how much is the XT and the XTX?

See that's exactly what im talking about and why I constantly have to defend amd. Cause of fans like you ignoring amd's HORRIBLE pricing and just targeting nvidia. Yes, the 4080 should be 800 while the XT is priced at 1k, makes sense

Wait What??? This is just whataboutism and trying to deflect criticism of NVidia

Just because people are saying that Nvidia cards this gen are overpriced doesn’t mean that they think AMD’s offerings are priced correctly. All cards recently launched are overpriced with the 4080 and 7900xt being the worst offenders, positioned in order to upsell buyers to the next tier up

 

[Bencher]

This gibberish makes no sense.... now i have questions.

What do you think i think of the 3080?

If I use your methodology, ie. comparing it to previous gen, 3080 was BONKERS good, since 2080 was crap. But because I don't agree with your methodology, the 3080 was okay, above average but nothing crazy. Pascal was a better generation.

The 3080 was not horrible, do you think it was horrible? You're using a justification that even you don't agree with, "bonkers"

No but im showing why your method is flawed.

The XT less than £800, certainly. You're changing the subject.

Ok then why don't you focus on the XT or the XTX price instead? Not just you, the whole forum, there are 100 pages discussing nvidias prices when amds are just as horrible - arguably worse - at least for the lower end models

 

[Bencher]

Wait What??? This is just whataboutism and trying to deflect criticism of NVidia

Just because people are saying that Nvidia cards this gen are overpriced doesn’t mean that they think AMD’s offerings are priced correctly. All cards recently launched are overpriced with the 4080 and 7900xt being the worst offenders, positioned in order to upsell buyers to the next tier up

Uh, so they think amd's prices are also crap, but they made a 100 page thread complaining specifically about 4070ti's price. And that makes sense to you?

 

[humbug]

If I use your methodology, ie. comparing it to previous gen, 3080 was BONKERS good, since 2080 was crap. But because I don't agree with your methodology, the 3080 was okay, above average but nothing crazy. Pascal was a better generation.

No but im showing why your method is flawed.

Ok then why don't you focus on the XT or the XTX price instead? Not just you, the whole forum, there are 100 pages discussing nvidias prices when amds are just as horrible - arguably worse - at least for the lower end models

You're doubling down on your bonkers reasoning.

The 2080 was the same price.
The 1080 was £100 cheaper.

It was reasonable to expect the 4080 to go up by £100, 15%, as i say £800, that has been the trend. it went up £500, 72%.

Ok then why don't you focus on the XT or the XTX price instead?

I have, more than once on this forum.

What do you think the price of the 4080 should be?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Wait What??? This is just whataboutism and trying to deflect criticism of NVidia

Just because people are saying that Nvidia cards this gen are overpriced doesn’t mean that they think AMD’s offerings are priced correctly.

Correct. Unfortunately fingers in ears and goalpost moving ensue after the substance of the argument wears thin..

 

[Bencher]

What do you think the price of the 4080 should be?

In a vacuum, 699€. In the current marketplace, when the cheapest XTX in Europe is 1199€ (and it's a reference model), while the cheapest 4080 is 1299€, I think the price is fine. I don't expect nvidia to price the 4080 below the XTX, and they shouldn't, so 1299 is perfectly okay

 

[Bencher]

You're doubling down on your bonkers reasoning.

The 2080 was the same price.
The 1080 was £100 cheaper.

The 2080 was the same price, but the jump from the previous gen was 30%. This gen it's 70%.

 

[humbug]

In a vacuum, 699€. In the current marketplace, when the cheapest XTX in Europe is 1199€ (and it's a reference model), while the cheapest 4080 is 1299€, I think the price is fine.

So 4 things here.

1, Why Euros? You're just confusing the whole thing, lets stick to US Dolars given that's the quoted MSRP.

2, You think the 4080 should be $699? Yes? so you think the 4080 is $500 over priced, that's 72%.

3, You think AMD are the lead price trend setter?

4, Isn't 72%, more overpriced than the 7900XT?

 

[TrixP10]

IMHO I think that AMD is well on the way to recovery and Intel's terrible ER goes a long way to show that.

 

[humbug]

IMHO I think that AMD is well on the way to recovery and Intel's terrible ER goes a long way to show that.

I get it, just wait a few more posts

 

[Bencher]

So 4 things here.

1, Why Euros? You're just confusing the whole thing, lets stick to US Dolars given that's the quoted MSRP.

2, You think the 4080 should be $699? Yes? so you think the 4080 is $500 over priced, that's 72%.

3, You think AMD are the lead price trend setter?

4, Isn't 72%, more overpriced than the 7900XT?

1) Cause I'm in Europe and I'm looking at a webpage that tracks prices across the EU

2) Sure

3) I don't know what kind of question is that. All I'm saying is, with the XTX being 1199, the 4080 can't be below 1299.

4) No, cause if the 4080 was actually at 699 the 7900XT would be around 400 to 500€ tops. Currently the cheapest I can find is at least double that

 

[TrixP10]

I get it, just wait a few more posts

Bencher - he really is something special

 

[Bencher]

Prices that would make sense to me - at least based on amperes MSRP, would be

7900xt - 449 to 499€
4070ti - 499 to 549€
7900xtx - 649 to 699€
4080 - 699€ to 749€
4090 - Doesn't matter

 

[uscool]

In a vacuum, 699€. In the current marketplace, when the cheapest XTX in Europe is 1199€ (and it's a reference model), while the cheapest 4080 is 1299€, I think the price is fine. I don't expect nvidia to price the 4080 below the XTX, and they shouldn't, so 1299 is perfectly okay

How is that okay ? I paid £650 for 3080 and even less before for the 2080 so why is okay to now £1299 for 80 tier card ? You also gonna defend they tried the 12gb 4080 ?

Yes AMD isn't innocent either the 7900xtx would have likely called the 7800xt if 4080 was going along the lines of traditional 80 tier pricing

Both are as bad as each other

But here you are somehow defending Nvidia? You never seem to criticize either intel or Nvidia but always try to find positive spins

 

[Bencher]

How is that okay ? I paid £650 for 3080 and even less before for the 2080 so why is okay to now £1299 for 80 tier card ? You also gonna defend they tried the 12gb 4080 ?

Yes AMD isn't innocent either the 7900xtx would have likely called the 7800xt if 4080 was going along the lines of traditional 80 tier pricing

Both are as bad as each other

But here you are somehow defending Nvidia? You never seem to criticize either intel or Nvidia but always try to find positive spins

I never said it's okay in a vacuum. I said it's okay based on the competitors cards in the market. I don't understand how or why you expect the 4080 to be at 699 when the XTX is at 1199.

 

[humbug]

1) Cause I'm in Europe and I'm looking at a webpage that tracks prices across the EU

2) Sure

3) I don't know what kind of question is that. All I'm saying is, with the XTX being 1199, the 4080 can't be below 1299.

4) No, cause if the 4080 was actually at 699 the 7900XT would be around 400 to 500€ tops. Currently the cheapest I can find is at least double that

Then given you agree the 7900XT is not as severely over priced as the 4080 you can't also claim the 4080 is not the worst in that sense.

I don't know what kind of question is that. All I'm saying is, with the XTX being 1199, the 4080 can't be below 1299.

Its quite simple, AMD have little effect if any on Nvidia's pricing structure, one of the many problems of your competitor having 90% market share, there isn't much you can do to influence them, many of AMD's RDNA2 cards are better value than Nvidia's Ampere, some of them very much so, Nvidia don't even notice it, so far as they are concerned AMD do not even exist and sales would confirm that, Nvidia are vastly outselling AMD with cards that are both slower and more expensive.
Putting the blame on AMD for this situation just plays right in to Nvidia's hands, they can continue with impunity because they can do no wrong, if everything they do is AMD's fault. THAT is how we have gotten to where we are now.

 

[uscool]

I never said it's okay in a vacuum. I said it's okay based on the competitors cards in the market. I don't understand how or why you expect the 4080 to be at 699 when the XTX is at 1199.

I could say XTX pricing is okay compared to 4080 pricing yet that doesn't give me the slightest comfort