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AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

humbug said:
Right now screen vendors are hosting a Betamax vs VHS / DVD-HD vs Blueray war, its becoming apparent that Nvidia's solution is Betamax / HD-DVD.
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The only thing Beta-max had going for it was picture quality, which VHS caught up on. And HD-DVD was a bit cheaper than bluray, although bluray had superior capacity.

I am sure i read a while ago that Intel would be supporting Freesync with its latest or next gen offerings.
 
Mauller said:
The only thing Beta-max had going for it was picture quality, which VHS caught up on. And HD-DVD was a bit cheaper than bluray, although bluray had superior capacity.

I am sure i read a while ago that Intel would be supporting Freesync with its latest or next gen offerings.
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Bad analogy i guess, i'm not using it as a barometer of quality but rather what's practical.

G-Sync IMO just isn't, for a lot of users (Tho not all) because of the extra cost and vendor lock-in. And certainly not for vendors, its unwanted impractical logistics and extra costs.
 
humbug said:
Bad analogy i guess, i'm not using it as a barometer of quality but rather what's practical.

G-Sync IMO just isn't, for a lot of users (Tho not all) because of the extra cost and vendor lock-in. And certainly not for vendors, its unwanted impractical logistics and extra costs.
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Indeed, considering i only see G-sync on already overpriced monitors.
 
bru said:
Regardless of Greg and Tommy' friendly bickering, AMD have managed to pull a blinder with the whole Freesync naming thing. We have to wonder, will Intel be happy to use adaptive sync when it is more commonly know as an AMD product, certainly NVidia wouldn't be happy with that you would have to think. It is just like the Hoover situation all over again and just think how many years it was before you thought of doing the vacuuming rather than hovering the floor. ( disclaimer some of you are probably not old enough to know what on earth I mean so for that I apologise.)
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Intel has already announced they will support adaptive sync in new products coming out.

Also its been shown with a hacked driver; that at least 980m can support adaptive system on laptops. So Nvidia could possibly support it with their newer products in theory.

I think they will at some point - they'll get dragged kicking and screaming to it; the sad part is I can see them dropping the module at some point and use adaptive-sync; keep the g-sync name and attempt at first to keep charging the higher price. Whether the monitor makers go for that....we'll see.
 
meldarthx said:
Intel has already announced they will support adaptive sync in new products coming out.

Also its been shown with a hacked driver; that at least 980m can support adaptive system on laptops. So Nvidia could possibly support it with their newer products in theory.

I think they will at some point - they'll get dragged kicking and screaming to it; the sad part is I can see them dropping the module at some point and use adaptive-sync; keep the g-sync name and attempt at first to keep charging the higher price. Whether the monitor makers go for that....we'll see.
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I thought it was due to the V Blank technology in laptops that enables adaptive sync to be possible on mobile chips?
 
Stanners said:
I thought it was due to the V Blank technology in laptops that enables adaptive sync to be possible on mobile chips?
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V bank is adaptive-sync; but display front end in the video card has to support it.

That's why 7000s from AMD has limited support for it; while 290s/260/285 and fury series have full support.

Why next gen cards from AMD from low to top will fully support it.
 
Does it not have to be a eDP panel in order for it to work as well as the V Blank feature.

Edit: Pinched from another forum. Not sure how correct it is but that was my understanding

It works in laptops because they have eDP panels supporting variable VBLANK. The requisite technology for variable refresh rates has existed on mobile devices for years, mainly as a power-saving measure. In fact, AMD's first demo of FreeSync was on an off-the-shelf laptop. Desktop monitors, however, need the G-Sync module because they have a less direct interface between GPU and LCD than laptops and no scaler exists which supports variable refresh.
 
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Stanners said:
Does it not have to be a eDP panel in order for it to work as well as the V Blank feature.

Edit: Pinched from another forum. Not sure how correct it is but that was my understanding

It works in laptops because they have eDP panels supporting variable VBLANK. The requisite technology for variable refresh rates has existed on mobile devices for years, mainly as a power-saving measure. In fact, AMD's first demo of FreeSync was on an off-the-shelf laptop. Desktop monitors, however, need the G-Sync module because they have a less direct interface between GPU and LCD than laptops and no scaler exists which supports variable refresh.
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hehe you're confusing things; eDP panels have Vblank - none eDP panels don't - the whole base of adaptive-sync is Vblank protocal;

Its not ever been truly proven but it was highly suspected that 700 series and below from Nvidia didn't have the hardware built in to actually use adaptive-sync in their scalars; while AMD's had it built into theirs' for years.

but someone proved at least with 980m with hacked drivers; it can work without a g-sync mod can do adapative-sync.

We're way off topic though :)
 
meldarthx said:
hehe you're confusing things; eDP panels have Vblank - none eDP panels don't - the whole base of adaptive-sync is Vblank protocal;

Its not ever been truly proven but it was highly suspected that 700 series and below from Nvidia didn't have the hardware built in to actually use adaptive-sync in their scalars; while AMD's had it built into theirs' for years.

but someone proved at least with 980m with hacked drivers; it can work without a g-sync mod can do adapative-sync.

We're way off topic though :)
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Yeah lets leave it there :)
 
Laptops don't require a scaler/module on supported panels, however won't be surprised in the slightest if Pascal still doesn't have on board vrr capability.:cool:
 
humbug said:
What makes you say that?
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It's the Nvidia way-lock you in for maximum profit-and it works amazingly well for them, want it pay for it, they can and do command it.

No reason to stay on Nvidia for vrr outwith imo panel vendor specific exclusives created for, how can I put it-cream on top of the milk???

(yes, I know the monitor is still going to work on AMD but the likelihood of paying a sometimes huge premium for vrr equates to why would you want to go without vrr as it's an amazing tech that Nvidia should get massive praise for introducing in the first place)

Over time like you said earlier, scalers will probably do vrr as standard, TV+console is key to Nvidia perhaps 'giving in' and adopting the industry standard as having used both, both do the exact same thing-amazingly well.
 
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tommybhoy said:
Laptops don't require a scaler/module on supported panels, however won't be surprised in the slightest if Pascal still doesn't have on board vrr capability.:cool:
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you sure? thought they did; but I could be wrong :) That's how AMD got it working so fast through hacked drivers on their laptop chips *then again AMD has this baked into their scalars for years*
 
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