AMD Polaris architecture – GCN 4.0

Perfect_Chaos · 12 Jan 2016 at 20:50

I was getting flashbacks of the old Twisted Humour flash cartoons for a moment there

drunkenmaster · 12 Jan 2016 at 20:51

Perfect_Chaos said:
I was getting some flashbacks of the old Twisted Humour flash cartoons for a moment there

Perfect_Chaos said:
I was getting flashbacks of the old Twisted Humour flash cartoons for a moment there

Hmm, I seem to be getting flash backs as well

Perfect_Chaos · 12 Jan 2016 at 20:56

drunkenmaster said:
Hmm, I seem to be getting flash backs as well

That's what i get for using a mobile browser, it didn't seem to post the first time. Doh..

Mauller · 12 Jan 2016 at 20:57

Gregster said:
I would remove that Gif or you will probably be going on Holiday sooner than you think

No sense of humour.

Gregster · 12 Jan 2016 at 21:06

Mauller said:
No sense of humour.

Well I think it is funny but the Mods won't

Overlag · 12 Jan 2016 at 21:10

Mauller said:
No sense of humour.

its probably the sweary thats the problem

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 12 Jan 2016 at 22:48

FoxEye said:
So.... all this about AMD having a 6 month lead... or that the first Polaris cards could be out in two months. Doesn't look likely, does it.

This isn't the first time they've said "back to school 2016". A much, much earlier article was doing the rounds last year, pointing to the same release window.

So unless nV aren't releasing until 2017, it's going to be close. Ultimately it doesn't matter if AMD have had working silicon for months now, if they choose not to release until August/September, they aren't going to beat nV to the market.

But then, AMD always seem to manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

They said before so it means before July.

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 00:40

Gregster said:
VR is a must for me now and that overrides all of this Free/G-Sync business, so not fussed if I lose G-Sync in truth.

Fair enough, not really relevant to my quote you used though which I'll reiterate-FreeSync panels use open source tech and only vendors can choose to support them or not, no one is locked out from using it but it isn't the end of the world if you choose to jump in to a vendor open/closed tech anyway as you are missing out on vrr(but can understand those that don't want to).

Gregster · 13 Jan 2016 at 07:58

tommybhoy said:
Fair enough, not really relevant to my quote you used though which I'll reiterate-FreeSync panels use open source tech and only vendors can choose to support them or not, no one is locked out from using it but it isn't the end of the world if you choose to jump in to a vendor open/closed tech anyway as you are missing out on vrr(but can understand those that don't want to).

I didn't quote you and was a statement of my potential future plans and how Polaris was a real potential for my future and not fussed on losing G-Sync because of VR. Also not sure why you explained about Freesync panels using open source tech but is Freesync "open source"? I know Adaptive Sync is an open standard but is freesync freely available to other vendors?

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 09:58

Apologies for stating you quoted me, bloke multi tasking gone wrong-my bad

it read as a continuation of Vrr discussion-as it carried on directly after my reply about the vendor lock in.

Are we going down the FreeSync proprietary banding semantics fob off route in attempt to make it appear hardware locked out the same as G-Sync, or do you really, really think people are that thick that the 'proprietary' term holds any basis as pointing fingers at AMD locking anyone out from using vrr tech with FreeSync branding?

AMD needs 'proprietary' drivers to support a vendor neutral standard, how can you provide hardware support without a proprietary driver?

Of course it's proprietary, it's part of a proprietary driver package that enables hardware and software driver support on any vendor neutral standard-much the same as Nvidia/AMD have proprietary VR driver support for a vendor neutral standard.

Gregster said:
Mine are all genuine and 99% of them arguing why Nvidia is better than AMD (which it is)

^
Sounds about right-calling a spade a spade-then you wonder why you get called out in the gfx sub-swing it baby

Gregster · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:15

Well you did say it was Open Source, so I assumed you knew something about it, as I believe it isn't but happy to be wrong if shown. Adaptive Sync of course is an open standard and anyone can use that.

Edit:

Stalking me now?

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:24

Cop out-I didn't say FS was open source, I said the panels were, the guy that quotes year old threads swinging it 'Stalker' the horror.

Gregster · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:28

tommybhoy said:
Cop out-I didn't say FS was open source, I said the panels were, the guy that quotes year old threads swinging it 'Stalker' the horror.

Well technically Freesync panels use an Open Standard but yer, I understand what you mean now. What is a cop out?

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:31

Google it, there is no 'technically', the panels are open standard/

Gregster · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:33

"Avoid doing something one ought to do" is what google says. I wondered what you meant as it has no context?

Edit:

Probably best to leave it, as it is getting off topic now.

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:43

Obtuse time does get pointless, yes we'll leave it at that you finally grasped that FS panels are not AMD locked-Woop woop!

Could have been avoided if you choose to take the 1% route.

Gregster · 13 Jan 2016 at 10:58

And you finally grasped that Freesync isn't an Open Source/Open Standard but Adaptive sync is an Open Standard. Freesync is AMD's tech for use with Adaptive Sync panels

/end

Anyways, enough of that and it will be sweet to have a choice of AMD and Nvidia and not sure either side are bringing the big chips first but does look like AMD have a slight edge if rumours are to be believed. Hopefully not too pricey on the high end, as that will be where I am looking. It is going to be a good year for us geeks and by the end of year, we should have some decent high end choices.

Bring on the GPU wars I say

fs123 · 13 Jan 2016 at 11:01

I thought it was fairly clear that Freesync monitors are Adaptive Sync panels that are open so any gpu manufacturer can make their cards work with them.

Freesync is essentially the name of the drivers coded by AMD for their own gpu's. These will not be open to any rivals since that would reveal how AMD codes their gpu drivers.

tommybhoy · 13 Jan 2016 at 11:06

It's as if muddying the waters with 'proprietary' makes it less stupid as 'it's the same as G-Sync' lock out.

Gregster said:
And you finally grasped that Freesync isn't an Open Source/Open Standard but Adaptive sync is an Open Standard. Freesync is AMD's tech for use with Adaptive Sync panels

/end

No amount of attempt of putting words in my mouth is going to change what I said, again, I said FS implementation is AMD proprietary, I said FS panels are open standard, can't you read?

Final8y · 13 Jan 2016 at 11:11

fs123 said:
I thought it was fairly clear that Freesync monitors are Adaptive Sync panels that are open so any gpu manufacturer can make their cards work with them.

Freesync is essentially the name of the drivers coded by AMD for their own gpu's. These will not be open to any rivals since that would reveal how AMD codes their gpu drivers.

If it were the case that Freesync monitors were not all Adaptive Sync panels that are open so any gpu manufacturer can make their cards work with them then there could be a case for some users being semantically pedantic about the distinction between the driver part and the monitor part, but seeing all Freesync monitors are all Adaptive Sync panels some users are just arguing for the sake of it.