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**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

Dudleyboy123 said:
Bit of a GPU noob here..but I'm looking to upgrade my computer soon. I'm going to be gaming at 1080p mostly then jump to 1440p later this year.

Was about to do some research and choose between 290x & 970 but then realised this 390x is coming out. Would this drop the price of the 290x & 970 do you think?

Since this GPU would be £400+ most likely?
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Looks like there are 380x/370x coming out as well at some point and, well, rumours change in regards to what is new and what isn't. The cost of doing a new architecture isn't insignificant and 28nm is effectively dead. The 390x has to be new because it's bigger, and needs re-engineering of the core significantly to work with HBM. It's possible but unlikely we'll see HBM on the anything less than the high end so will they make new cores for every point or just rebrand... who knows.

Either way, a new high end card and rebrands will likely push 290x's at worst, into clearing stock prices. If Nvidia follow prices with their 970, who knows, it won't go EOL like the 290x will so there won't be any drastic bargain basement prices on that but there might be some great 290x deals.

Have to see what the 380/370x are, if they are new, more efficient and are smaller and cheaper than their current alternatives they might be great cards.

Personally I wouldn't be buying a current/(almost last gen) card right now. I'd wait 2-3 months and see what shakes out. Either the high end will cost less than you think, the replacements will be rebrands or potentially new and better options at the same price or you will get some firesale pricing on 290x/290 cards.
 
Meladath said:
I wouldn't be so sure. The 390X is rumored to have 4096 cores. Thats a 45% increase over the 290X. Assuming the rumoured 1050Mhz base clock on the 390X, thats a 52% performance increase give or take a bit, and thats completely ignoring the fact that HBM is better than GDDR5. Guessing that the WCE has the same cooler as the 295X2, it should run FAR cooler and FAR quieter, not to mention overclock really well since it has such headroom.

That coupled with the pretty poor temps, noise and power draw on the titan X makes the 390X a very close contender, even assuming the same price point!
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The Titan X has 50% more cores than the 980 which is already decently faster than the 290X.

When it comes to clock speed this wont really be known until its released because it will all depend on how hot the chip is, power draw, performance, electron leakage etc.

What we know is the 780 was more efficient than the 290 cards, the 980 are way more efficient again. So how much efficiency gains has AMD made yo allow them to not only increase cores but also clocks?


Even if we go with your stated clock speeds, making some assumptions for other inefficiencies due to scaling the number of cores then the 390X is very unlikely to be faster than the Titan X.

The only interesting thing is it might be 10% slower and sell at 550-700quid. At which point Nvidia will reduce their pricing a little.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Looks like there are 380x/370x coming out as well at some point and, well, rumours change in regards to what is new and what isn't. The cost of doing a new architecture isn't insignificant and 28nm is effectively dead. The 390x has to be new because it's bigger, and needs re-engineering of the core significantly to work with HBM. It's possible but unlikely we'll see HBM on the anything less than the high end so will they make new cores for every point or just rebrand... who knows.

Either way, a new high end card and rebrands will likely push 290x's at worst, into clearing stock prices. If Nvidia follow prices with their 970, who knows, it won't go EOL like the 290x will so there won't be any drastic bargain basement prices on that but there might be some great 290x deals.

Have to see what the 380/370x are, if they are new, more efficient and are smaller and cheaper than their current alternatives they might be great cards.

Personally I wouldn't be buying a current/(almost last gen) card right now. I'd wait 2-3 months and see what shakes out. Either the high end will cost less than you think, the replacements will be rebrands or potentially new and better options at the same price or you will get some firesale pricing on 290x/290 cards.
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Yeah I think the 370x/380x would be more ideal as I don't want to spend hundreds on a GPU. My current GPU is a GTX 460 so anything would be an improvement! I want to get into some good proper PC gaming.

I'm sure these cards will handle 1440p nicely (I haven't even seen 1440p gaming in person but from what people say it looks amazing).

Yeah, waiting 2/3 months would be the smart idea, then I can see if it's worth buying the 290x if it drops to a decent price or see if the prices of the 370x/380x are in my price range (£250ish).

Either way I'm very excited to see what the new games are like visually (I skipped buying a PS4/Xbox one this time round to get into PC gaming).

Cheers for the information :)
 
dasimpse said:
anything to push down prices would be great in my book. Exciting times! hope AMD really go for it this time
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I think they have to, a match, pretty good, cheaper.... doesn't cut it for AMD unfortunately.

It must be better and cheaper or they ain't going to get their market share back.
The fight now is more about Branding than it is ability and value.
 
I don't think there is anyway it will be significantly better to the point that it matters.



Best case scenario is it will be 5% faster than the Titan X and they sell it at 500 quid. I just can't imagine a better scenario for AMD than that while being realistic about performance specifications. That wont shift much market share to be significant, AMD will need a 380X that is something like 20% faster than a 980 and costs significantly less and a the same 370 vs 970.

Everyone has already purchased the nvidia cards except a few that aren't fussed and the AMD fanboys who will buy AMD regardless. Things would have to be way more tempting to get 9770/980/Titan owners to sell up on mass and buy AMD. Would need something like Titan X performance at 970 prices to get a majority of Nvidia owners to swap system, a but faster for a bit less money wont cut it
 
D.P. said:
The Titan X has 50% more cores than the 980 which is already decently faster than the 290X.
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with Mantle amd is 100% faster in every case even a small down mid range card beats Titan x there. Thats decent.

The smart people knows when they are lied to and cant trust a manufacturer.
Its why I bought a 290 when I wanted bandwidth for the set I use and Nvidia havent had anything out for years now that can do it.
I didnt want to buy a card that I knew wasnt good enough.
Its why I went amd simple as that.

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waiting for the 390x now as summer is coming.
 
dp said:
Everyone has already purchased the nvidia cards except a few that aren't fussed and the AMD fanboys who will buy AMD regardless. Things would have to be way more tempting to get 9770/980/Titan owners to sell up on mass and buy AMD. Would need something like Titan X performance at 970 prices to get a majority of Nvidia owners to swap system, a but faster for a bit less money wont cut it
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right so the only people who have AMD cards now are fanboys and it'll take something that will never happen to make Nvidia users (who magically aren't fanboy's despite buying more expensive cards for equal performance just for branding) switch back to AMD.

So you're basically saying AMD are doomed?

Thats a refreshing POV. Good post.


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Dudleyboy said:
Yeah, waiting 2/3 months would be the smart idea, then I can see if it's worth buying the 290x if it drops to a decent price
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Dont think the 290X will get much cheaper unless you want to buy second hand when people get rid of them for the 3xx series. If you dont want second hand then the 380's will probably be the best bet as you say.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
Look at Nvidia, they went from the disaster that is fermi to the awesome maxwell, that is impressive ****. AMD on the other hand don't seem to be as focused on getting their **** in order and producing the architecture that will spank Nvidia.

Might just be they can't compete with Nvidia when it comes to developing the most advanced GPUs, and we will just have to accept it.
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Again...nv come outwith their new Maxwell line in 16 months from the GTX780...AMD will release the new cards 18months from 290X...they are working on their own schedule.
You just saying amd cant do anything just because they haven't hastily release half done cards before they are ready? If so then you are look at things from a seriously biased point.
 
haha, did I get you with my post kap? :D

But im team amd so I shouldn't be posting jokes, but im bored, just cant wait for the 390x!

nor can I stand reading false rumors until something official comes out lol
 
IceShock said:
haha, did I get you with my post kap? :D

But im team amd so I shouldn't be posting jokes, but im bored, just cant wait for the 390x!

nor can I stand reading false rumors until something official comes out lol
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You should always joke about GPUs, it's when people take them seriously that we get problems.:D
 
IceShock said:
haha, did I get you with my post kap? :D

But im team amd so I shouldn't be posting jokes, but im bored, just cant wait for the 390x!

nor can I stand reading false rumors until something official comes out lol
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They can't even get their drivers out on schedule. What hope do they have of getting their 3 series out. :p
 
D.P. said:
I don't think there is anyway it will be significantly better to the point that it matters.



Best case scenario is it will be 5% faster than the Titan X and they sell it at 500 quid. I just can't imagine a better scenario for AMD than that while being realistic about performance specifications. That wont shift much market share to be significant, AMD will need a 380X that is something like 20% faster than a 980 and costs significantly less and a the same 370 vs 970.

Everyone has already purchased the nvidia cards except a few that aren't fussed and the AMD fanboys who will buy AMD regardless. Things would have to be way more tempting to get 9770/980/Titan owners to sell up on mass and buy AMD. Would need something like Titan X performance at 970 prices to get a majority of Nvidia owners to swap system, a but faster for a bit less money wont cut it
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Some people really are determined to try to get everyone to buy NVIDIA cards (and preferably a G-Synch) monitor before the new AMD cards launch. You sound scared.

5% better than Titan X is best case, huh? Since the Titan X is aimed squarely at 4K and above, and high resolution VR, a card with gigantically more memory bandwidth and a GPU designed around this bandwidth, you can only imagine it being 5% better? You must either be furnished with very little imagination, or you're a liar. As others have stated, 290X CF already beats 980 SLI at 4K in a number of games. I'd guess Mantle / Vulkan / DX12 (if NVIDIA / MS don't collude to gimp the latter on AMD because of Mantle / Vulkan) will be a complete wash for AMD at resolutions above 1920x1080.

If you do some 3D rendering or video editing, on the side, it's within the realms of possibility that it ends up greater than 5x faster in some tasks.
 
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