AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

Kaapstad · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:52

drunkenmaster said:
You sure they don't bill it as the fastest card ever made?

from AMD's website

I don't think this will have any trouble beating the 7970 massively and meh, ignore 3dmark. Isn't the 7970 already miles and miles behind a Titan anyway when in most games Titan isn't even remotely that far ahead, IE isn't 3dmark currently Nvidia architecture biased? I care about game performance not benching. I'm sure some games that favour Nvidia will have Titan ahead by varying amounts but hugely smaller amounts than currently, and there will be plenty of AMD favouring games which it will beat Titan again by varying amounts. I think the claim of how much faster it is in BF4 might be flimsy on release but come Mantle peoples jaws are going to drop.

I think you will find 3dmark Firestrike actually shows AMD in a better light, compare the HD 7970 to the GTX 680.

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:53

drunkenmaster said:
I don't think this will have any trouble beating the 7970 massively and meh, ignore 3dmark. Isn't the 7970 already miles and miles behind a Titan anyway when in most games Titan isn't even remotely that far ahead, IE isn't 3dmark currently Nvidia architecture biased? I care about game performance not benching. I'm sure some games that favour Nvidia will have Titan ahead by varying amounts but hugely smaller amounts than currently, and there will be plenty of AMD favouring games which it will beat Titan again by varying amounts. I think the claim of how much faster it is in BF4 might be flimsy on release but come Mantle peoples jaws are going to drop.

Grain of salt as usual but its supposedly beating a titan in BF3, so id expect it to beat it in BF4. Even more so once mantle is supported.

Kaapstad · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:54

8 Pack said:
Come on guys!!! a Titan with proper none Nvidia GUFF PWM can take down an 800 watt PSU on its own!!! Titan is very very very hot when it gets overclocked "properly". Hotter than 480 even!!!

Which card would you use with LN2, R9 290X, GTX 780 or Titan to break records.

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:55

Kaapstad said:
Which card would you use with LN2, R9 290X, GTX 780 or Titan to break records.

Good question Kaapalini.

Gregster · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:57

Kaapstad said:
Which card would you use with LN2, R9 290X, GTX 780 or Titan to break records.

Silly question, he would use all of em

8 Pack · 26 Sep 2013 at 09:59

Correct Gregster!!! I think all the benches will be AMD but several factors effect LN2 such as cold bug and so on. So maybe Titan that can go -110 - -130 will go higher in clocks. Time will tell. I will be hammering the AMD offerings for sure.

IT Troll · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:00

bru said:
And Mantle, well there’s two ways to look at it, it could be brilliant as a nice thin, small footprint API that will improve things for us gamers. Or it could just end up another hardly used game API that is just a tick box on the packaging, hopefully it will be the former, at least it is backed by AMD rather than just a game developer. But of course saying that, some other things backed by AMD have just failed to come to fruition at all.

I would imagine that this is borrowing heavily on the technology they have developed for next gen consoles. Which could lend some credence to the theory that console ports will be quicker/better on AMD hardware. Interesting that they are making it an open standard though. I would have thought it would make more sense to keep in closed and have a USP with their cards.

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:01

8 Pack said:
I think all the benches will be AMD.

Kaapstad · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:01

8 Pack said:
I think all the benches will be AMD.

Have you got any scores on the R9 290X for when the NDA is lifted.

Make · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:02

I do find it hard to believe that this would not be something Nvidia already knows all about in advance. Why would EA and other companies optimize their top-games in a way that forces their users to use only AMD cards if they want proper performance?

I don't think they'd want to cripple their sales like that.

Yaayuh! · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:02

Kaapstad said:
Have you got any scores on the R9 290X for when the NDA is lifted.

If yes, can you provide benches on air please.

Thanks

Yaayuh! · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:04

Make said:
I do find it hard to believe that this would not be something Nvidia already knows all about in advance. Why would EA and other companies optimize their top-games in a way that forces their users to use only AMD cards if they want proper performance?

I don't think they'd want to cripple their sales like that.

1. I doubt it "cripples" their sales.
2. AMD and DICE collaboration would have been a win-win situation for both AMD and DICE/EA.

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:04

Make said:
I do find it hard to believe that this would not be something Nvidia already knows all about in advance. Why would EA and other companies optimize their top-games in a way that forces their users to use only AMD cards if they want proper performance?

I don't think they'd want to cripple their sales like that.

Of course. AMD are not known for crippling performance on competitor hardware, that benefits no one. It just might run a bit faster on a equivalent AMD Gpu.

Boomstick777 · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:09

Some sites are claiming their will be 6GB 290X variants, anybody know how this is possible with 512bit bus?

VincentHanna · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:11

Unlike Nvidia who block Physx from running on AMD GPU's

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:11

Boomstick777 said:
Some sites are claiming their will be 6GB 290X variants, anybody know how this is possible with 512bit bus?

Hold on a minute. What's the difference between the 290 and the 290x? Just the ram size or something else?

I thought it would have to be 8gb on a 512bit bus.

Rusty0611 · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:11

Boomstick777 said:
Some sites are claiming their will be 6GB 290X variants, anybody know how this is possible with 512bit bus?

Mixed modules. Adds a bit of latency IIRC.

teppic · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:11

It's not like AMD is going to end DirectX support in their drivers. It sounds as though for BF4 using Mantle will give substantial performance increases over DirectX, it won't be changing the performance of nvidia cards.

LtMatt · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:14

I can soon look forward to looking at the mantle piece whilst i poke the fire.

What? Someone had to go there.

d_brennen · 26 Sep 2013 at 10:14

teppic said:
It's not like AMD is going to end DirectX support in their drivers. It sounds as though for BF4 using Mantle will give substantial performance increases over DirectX, it won't be changing the performance of nvidia cards.

TechSpot said:
We've been told at the GPU14 Tech Day event that the Mantle API is open, so theoretically Nvidia could purpose the technology in their GPUs. It should also make cross-development between PC and console games a lot easier, and also more incredible for those with a high-performance AMD GPU.

http://www.techspot.com/news/54134-amd-launches-mantle-api-to-optimize-pc-gpu-performance.html