AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

bru · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:14

Suarez7 said:
I still don't get why it's being compared to a card that came out 7 months ago, that's a long time in the tech world. Comparing it to a 780 is sort of ok but still they've had 3-4 months to make sure it beats it. I'd actually be very surprised and disappointed in AMD if it didn't.

Suarez7 said:
I said the same thing weeks back when people were comparing, it's not exactly special being able to beat a card that came out over half a year ago, technology moves fast.

The only reason it goes up against cards that are that old is because AMD haven't shown us anything new in 21 months, if they had of released last jan/feb then it would have been Nvidia chasing them down no the other way around.

Anyway if you don't compare it to the fastest cards from the opposition just what are you suppose to compare it too. :rolleyes:

Gregster · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:16

My prediction is:

Slightly faster than the 780 but at the same price point. I am looking forward to seeing how much headroom is on the overclocks for both the core and memory.

LtMatt · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:17

The good thing about the 7790 was it allowed them a trial run at GCN2.0. More performance at the same TDP. Now you're seeing the fruits of this work with this new card, Hawaii. 30% smaller die than titan, (or however im supposed to say it Orangey

) for equal or faster performance (33% faster than a 7970ghz), better yields, (whatever that means

) lower price. That's what i read anyway.

Gregster said:
My prediction is:

Slightly faster than the 780 but at the same price point. I am looking forward to seeing how much headroom is on the overclocks for both the core and memory.

Welcome back stranger.

melmac · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:20

Suarez7 said:
I still don't get why it's being compared to a card that came out 7 months ago, that's a long time in the tech world. Comparing it to a 780 is sort of ok but still they've had 3-4 months to make sure it beats it. I'd actually be very surprised and disappointed in AMD if it didn't.

Well for a start, several people who bought the Titan justified their purchase by saying there was going to be nothing faster for at least 2 years.

The other reason is what else do we compare it to? The titan and the 780 are Nvidia's high end cards out now.

Also you do know that 780 is just a Titan with the most of the compute features disabled? So if it's ok to compare with the 780 it's surely ok to compare with the Titan.

LtMatt · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:21

melmac said:
Well for a start, several people who bought the Titan justified their purchase by saying there was going to be nothing faster for at least 2 years.

Ha, i do remember that actually.

Did Greg say that?

Orangey · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:25

WB Gregster.

And yes I do recall that "2 years" Mystic Meg moment he had!

Tonester0011 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:30

Gregster said:
My prediction is:

Slightly faster than the 780 but at the same price point. I am looking forward to seeing how much headroom is on the overclocks for both the core and memory.

He's finally back!

(To the Graphics section, obviously

)

Gregster · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:34

LtMatt said:
Welcome back stranger.

Orangey said:
WB Gregster.

And yes I do recall that "2 years" Mystic Meg moment he had!

LtMatt said:
Ha, i do remember that actually.

Did Greg say that?

Tonester0011 said:
He's finally back! (To the Graphics section, obviously )

Cheers guys and Purgatory isn't any fun at all

I did say that and I would love to stand by that comment but it is looking a little wobbly now

melmac · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:37

LtMatt said:
Ha, i do remember that actually.

Did Greg say that?

I think a few people said it at the time and more people agreed.

Rusty0611 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:37

I'm back as well!

Back for good! Cue song.

Even if it does match a 780/Titan both have been out for considerable time. You've also got to account for overclocking headrooms... Titans and 780s are quite comfortably pushing 1300 even on air with the hacks and bios flashes available.

Personally I couldn't give a toss which one is faster for the purpose of a forum argument when I've had the level of performance the next AMD card will allegedly offer for months already

. I doubt it will shake things up that much on the price/performance front initially. Later down the line is where AMD become stonking value for money.

I think that performance increments have been so lacklustre between generations that aiming to match a card which has been out for months already is not doing anything to really advance things as a whole. It was the same with the 7950 (stock) aiming only for the 580. Not really that exciting or evolutionary.

It's not AMDs fault, it's not nVidias fault - it's an issue with PC hardware in general.

LtMatt · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:38

Gregster said:
Cheers guys and Purgatory isn't any fun at all

I did say that and I would love to stand by that comment but it is looking a little wobbly now

Fair play at least you can stand up to it mate. Onwards and upwards.

I'm going to be crucified and deservedly so if a 2gb card or two has enough vram for Battlefield 4 at 1600p on Ultra with x4 AA.

If im right though then Tone can buy my mate a copy of the game.

Rusty0611 said:
I'm back as well!

Back for good! Cue song.

Even if it does match a 780/Titan both have been out for considerable time. You've also got to account for overclocking headrooms... Titans and 780s are quite comfortably pushing 1300 even on air with the hacks and bios flashes available.

Personally I couldn't give a toss which one is faster for the purpose of a forum argument when I've had the level of performance the next AMD card will allegedly offer for months already . I doubt it will shake things up that much on the price/performance front initially. Later down the line is where AMD become stonking value for money.

I think that performance increments have been so lacklustre between generations that aiming to match a card which has been out for months already is not doing anything to really advance things as a whole. It was the same with the 7950 (stock) aiming only for the 580. Not really that exciting or evolutionary.

It's not AMDs fault, it's not nVidias fault - it's an issue with PC hardware in general.

Welcome back Rusty.

Where's Spoffle and Humbug?

Buckster · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:40

snore ..

but .... you've got to take overclocking into consideration
but .. you've got to take the TDP into consideration
but ... you've got to take account for the fact that its 7 months newer

hold on ... you must take Physx into consideration

lets just take the new card at face value

Rusty0611 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:49

Buckster said:
lets just take the new card at face value

I agree but its relevance still must be taken from the cards around it. In price and performance.

Jono8 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:50

People actually thought the Titan wasnt going to be beaten in 2 years?

lol

flopper · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:53

Gregster said:
Cheers guys and Purgatory isn't any fun at all

I did say that and I would love to stand by that comment but it is looking a little wobbly now

Wobbly indeeed...

Jerry64 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:54

Nice to see you back Gregster

Rusty0611 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:54

Jono8 said:
People actually thought the Titan wasnt going to be beaten in 2 years?

lol

Personally I think it was always likely to be run close by AMDs latest card. The problem on this forum was that a lot of people here basically attacked people who bought Titan's and belittled them for 'wasting their money' which inevitably got peoples backs up.

So if the next AMD card is around Titan performance then they were effectively paying for next generation performance back then. I don't think that really makes Titan a bad buy so to speak but it is a niche market.

Suarez7 · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:56

Rusty0611 said:
Personally I think it was always likely to be run close by AMDs latest card. The problem on this forum was that a lot of people here basically attacked people who bought Titan's and belittled them for 'wasting their money' which inevitably got peoples backs up.

So if the next AMD card is around Titan performance then they were effectively paying for next generation performance back then. I don't think that really makes Titan a bad buy so to speak but it is a niche market.

Exactly, they've been running next gen performance for 7 months, the only other way to get that was multi GPU which still has problems in certain games for both sides and had even more problems especially with AMD back then.

Welcome back Greg

David Bisset · 24 Sep 2013 at 17:57

Suarez7 said:
I still don't get why it's being compared to a card that came out 7 months ago, that's a long time in the tech world. Comparing it to a 780 is sort of ok but still they've had 3-4 months to make sure it beats it. I'd actually be very surprised and disappointed in AMD if it didn't.

Ummm, thats quite a short time and also if picking high-end hardware I care how it compares with other high-end hardware, not how old it is. Yes, generally new stuff is faster than old, but only when taken over longer time-scales and even then you have to make sure you're comparing within performance brackets.

What would you rather it was compared with? The AMD HD7730? It's newer after all... Never mind that the Titan is in the same performance bracket and is still a 'current' card in that it's still made, sold, held up as the thing to beat. If the 780 is surpassed in performance then of course people will then compare with the Titan. Likewise the price comparison is totally valid, newer tech is generally more expensive than older tech but as with performance the time gap isn't enough for that to apply, they're both 'current gen' cards.

Buckster · 24 Sep 2013 at 18:00

personally I think Titan is a niche - it always will be - its a quality card, and a real premium

the bigger element of interest will be the performance of the new AMD card vs the 780 - general performance - but also in next gen games if they take utilisation of any of the compute power of the AMD cards