If the Titan launch is anything to go by the drivers were pretty good at launch.
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AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory
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If the Titan launch is anything to go by the drivers were pretty good at launch.
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Linus reckons the card will have a performance mode so these benchmarks might even be showing the gtx780 in a better light. Amd might be hiding the full performance to the very end.
The 290X in a nutshell. Too hot and too expensive.. /end
Mathematically, X=0
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But you can if you want. They are not the same thing. Ive said this before and to paraphrase Gregster "i am starting to feel like a broken record". Mantle only enables more performance in its current state where PhysX enables game changing effects that are disabled the second you have a competitioners gfx in your system(would be fun to see if its only AMD or if it happens with anything else) and for no technical reason.
nVidia having PhysX and only allowing hardware acceleration on their own GPUs have never been an issue. The issue is the lockout and the effect that has on certain games and gamers. It may work for some sorts of business' but it does not for gaming.
For those that would yell AMD Fanboy by now well i would only say just because you are sitting on a platform that was a logical purchase when you bought it does not mean total brand loyalty, atleast not for those of us with some sanity left. If Mantle turns out to be more than just performance and actually add game changing features that people with nVidia hardware cannot use(and that is not delivered through alternative means like NVAPI) i'll be more than happy to rain on AMDs parade as i already have done with some of the later "AMD scr*wups"
Some of you who own nVidia hardware seems really touchy and this isnt aimed at you Boomstick but more generally. The second someone points fingers at faulty VRMs or shady business practics and the source happen to have green colors the first words that one would read is AMD fanboy. The nonsens got to stop. Brand Loyalty is awwful but sadly a very real thing. If i had the cash i would own a gtx 780 by now, heck even 4 just to see my fx-8350 **** bricks before i replaced that to.
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I know this but performance usually means extra performance. It could have been called normal mode or anything but if he's right on it being called performance mode then the card has more to come.
This gives a little more perspective on it and when ultra details are set, the 290X still maintains its lead, even if it is by a tiny 0.4 fps (a lead is a lead). I do have a feeling though that the lead we are seeing is because of the higer memory bandwidth and when we drop the resolution to 1600P or under, we will see a swing towards the GTX 780. One thing is good though, AMD are touting this card as a 4K card and for sure we can see how well it holds up.
Just going by this...
I know you have to take these things with a grain of salt and well find out soon enough but that doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Just seen Toms preview. Seems promising
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I hate both equally right now, physx because I'm currently using a 5850 and I want Batman smokeand Mantle because I'm not a Battlefield player and as such it's not at all enticing to me yet
As for the forum being AMD biased, I'm not seeing it, well not yet, CPU's are all about the Intel mostly (stupid lack of progress slowing things down) and the nVidia boys post more than the AMD boys right now
Lol at wanting Batman smoke
I would rather a unified platform with no more proprietary things as well. The thing is Physx and Mantle do both bring things to the table.. I guess they need the selling points.. If only they would work together lol.Along with my 780, I have a 7950 3GB which I gave to my boys and a 7850 2G in the HTPC. I do like AMD cards, but if anything Mantle has made me realize that AMD are just as guilty of 'proprietary evil' as Nvidia, it will allow me to enjoy stuff like Physx a bit more, because actually having extra affects is no bad thing. Might as well take advantage of what my card can do.. The other thing is pricing, AMD will charge what they think they can get away with. Neither company is it for charity.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-r9-290x-benchmark-performance,24732.html unless someone else has posted it, the preview of the benchmarks
This gives a little more perspective on it and when ultra details are set, the 290X still maintains its lead, even if it is by a tiny 0.4 fps (a lead is a lead). I do have a feeling though that the lead we are seeing is because of the higer memory bandwidth and when we drop the resolution to 1600P or under, we will see a swing towards the GTX 780. One thing is good though, AMD are touting this card as a 4K card and for sure we can see how well it holds up.
It seems that result was in quiet rather than performance mode. Having said that I expect R9 290X, OC edition GTX780 and Titan would have similar performance. The only viable metrics left to make or break R9 290X would be price and the potential of Mantle.
Toms preview uses extreme detail and resolution to flatter based on available memory bandwidth. We need to see real results at 1440p and 1080p
R290X will arrive with marginally positive benchmarks but little headroom. The more benchmarks I see the more I think....
R290X £399
R290 £320
R280X £250
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I need to do some reading on what this quiet mode is. Have AMD done their Montreal thing yet?
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Agreed 4k results are pretty pointless right now.
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No worries, I do agree. The thing with brand loyalty is that the product in many ways is irrelevant, it's actually based on a physiological principal that when a person spends their hard earned money they do not want to feel like they got ripped off. So the mind will sometimes go to crazy lengths to justify a purchase that obviously isn't worth as much in reality as a competing product. Company's know this and market their products in ways to take advantage of peoples subconscious, they want to feel 'value' associated with their product. It works so well that people get like a self esteem boost by buying certain clothes, phone, it's that associated 'value' with the product..
I have done it myself, I bought into the Titan hype, bought the card, justified it to myself. Then my sanity came back to me
, and I realized I cannot justify that amount of money on a single GPU, so sold it and bought lesser cheaper cards, and felt a whole lot better about it. Some people have higher incomes as well, so their 'value' systems is vastly different to someone who has less disposable income. The two types of people are coming from different mind sets so will never agree..So yeah when people get hyper defensive, it's not really about the product but more not wanting to feel like they bought the wrong thing and wasted their money...
I think they will have little headroom too, but imo the 290x should be a bit higher than £399. I still think it will range from £430-£500 for reference to non-reference oc.
That's effectively a smaller resolution than 4k tho, assuming 3x 1080p. Still, those benches would be closer to multi-monitor performance than single 1080p 1440p.