AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:07

flopper said:
yea GCN 7970 made 30%+ during its development with drivers.
aint thinking that with 290 but more power is there to gain for them down the road.

Lets hope it doesn't take them the same time it did with the 7 series to get "mature" drivers then.

Boomstick777 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:08

Scougar said:
No. When are you actually going to read results that have actually used voltage control? Seriously, stop spreading disinformation.

It's 95c at stock volts. God only knows what temps it will reach with added volts. Unless you're using LN2 for cooling this is not the GPU for a normal gamer / overclocker.

Hopefully the third party coolers will save the 290X some embarrassment and run cooler than 95C.

You have to see the hypocrisy, if Nvidia launched a hot card they would be flamed (See GTX 480)

AMD launch a 95C GPU and suddenly 95C is no problem, yeah great temps.

Logic has gone out of the window with this launch.

uksoldierboy · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:10

Seems another retailer has removed pricing for it's 290X and is asking that you call for them? seems strange when the price was available earlier...

Boomstick777 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:10

dave_beast said:
I'd remove that as it has swearies and TTL? Come on, the guy is clearly bananas

Ah ok, thanks for the heads up lol. I do think logic is lost on this release, people have red blinkers on..

95C.

Power use.

Surpassed by 780 when overclocking..

What is going on lol.

teppic · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:12

Boomstick777 said:
It's 95c at stock volts. God only knows what temps it will reach with added volts. Unless you're using LN2 for cooling this is not the GPU for a normal gamer / overclocker.

Hopefully the third party coolers will save the 290X some embarrassment and run cooler than 95C.

You have to see the hypocrisy, if Nvidia launched a hot card they would be flamed (See GTX 480)

AMD launch a 95C GPU and suddenly 95C is no problem, yeah great temps.

Logic has gone out of the window with this launch.

You're refusing to separate the GPU from the reference cooler, which is the least important part of it. It doesn't matter what temps it runs at, that's just showing cooler performance. Stick a cheap cooler on a 4770K and it'll hit 90C immediately.

Scougar · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:12

The way I see it:

If you want POTENTIALLY the best performance, then get the 290X. (Note the capitalised bit! lol)

If you want the better allround card, get a GTX 780. (less heat/noise/power)

There are too many variables at present. IF mantle picks up, then it might turn out to be which games do you play. If Nvidia decide to do a massive driver overhaul like AMD did... then who knows. Constant bitching about it all gets us nowhere other than make you out to look all spiteful and obnoxious.

boomstick> Saw your post... and the bit about the 480 hypocrisy. Yes I get that fully, it's why I already mentioned it in this thread (I think it was this thread). Do you also belittle Intel chips because they can run hotter than AMD's? It will definitely have an impact of system temps, but don't go overboard with it, because that's what you are doing.

~>Dg<~ · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:13

yep 95c is too hot. just like the 7990 on air a lot wont buy it for that very same reason and most who buy it watercool. if you water cooling a 290 does look better on stock cooling the 780 is better choice.

if nvidia change pricing quickly then the 780 will sell like hotcakes. in most reviews i seen id say they about on par just that the ati card is hotter.

so save 100 ish quid for a over in your pc or wait for few weeks for cooler card and same price 780 gtx. i know what i d be doing

Scougar · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:16

Boomstick777 said:
Ah ok, thanks for the heads up lol. I do think logic is lost on this release, people have red blinkers on..

95C.

Power use.

Surpassed by 780 when overclocking..

What is going on lol.

What's going on, is your inability to read an update.

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:18

Dg going green :eek:

Agreed, Boomstick you're taking the whole 95c thing too far, you've posted 95c about 95 times in this thread alone.

eddyr · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:18

Aftermarket cooling will still mean it will run at up to 95c at high loads, but higher clocks, unless the AIB's decide to set a lower temp target.

GoogalyMoogaly · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:19

After discussing with a friend i have to ask, were the people getting 290X cards ever really considering Titans?

Yes it's good it's beaten them, but was the performance really the thing that swayed the decision?

Boomstick777 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:19

teppic said:
You're refusing to separate the GPU from the reference cooler, which is the least important part of it. It doesn't matter what temps it runs at, that's just showing cooler performance. Stick a cheap cooler on a 4770K and it'll hit 90C immediately.

Um, no you're just justifying it. Had Nvidia released a 95C GPU, the flaming would have been immense. It's AMD though so 95c is fine, Wonderful in fact.

I feel like I've entered the twilight zone where a new GPU that performs worse than ones that have been out for months, whilst consuming more power and operating at near boiling water temp is ok..

No more posts from me today lol, I'll come back later and hopefully sanity will be restored...

Silent_Scone · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:19

~>Dg<~ said:
yep 95c is too hot. just like the 7990 on air a lot wont buy it for that very same reason and most who buy it watercool. if you water cooling a 290 does look better on stock cooling the 780 is better choice.

if nvidia change pricing quickly then the 780 will sell like hotcakes. in most reviews i seen id say they about on par just that the ati card is hotter.

so save 100 ish quid for a over in your pc or wait for few weeks for cooler card and same price 780 gtx. i know what i d be doing

It does the numbers but as an overall product the reference 290X seems properly iffy to me. I'll give some honest comparisons to a single Titan over the weekend

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:19

GoogalyMoogaly said:
After discussing with a friend i have to ask, were the people getting 290X cards ever really considering Titans?

Yes it's good it's beaten them, but was the performance really the thing that swayed the decision?

Of course not, it's always been about price for most.

LtMatt · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:20

Suarez7 said:
Dg going green

You're welcome to him. It brings great shame that he owns the same gpu as me.

Crackfox · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:20

Any idea of the timeframe for non-reference coolers chaps/chapettes? Anything over a month is just a no go for me.

flopper · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:20

teppic said:
You're refusing to separate the GPU from the reference cooler, which is the least important part of it. It doesn't matter what temps it runs at, that's just showing cooler performance. Stick a cheap cooler on a 4770K and it'll hit 90C immediately.

Yea why dont he complain about Intels stockcooler more then?
I am sure he uses one...

Scougar · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:21

~>Dg<~ said:
yep 95c is too hot. just like the 7990 on air a lot wont buy it for that very same reason and most who buy it watercool. if you water cooling a 290 does look better on stock cooling the 780 is better choice.

if nvidia change pricing quickly then the 780 will sell like hotcakes. in most reviews i seen id say they about on par just that the ati card is hotter.

so save 100 ish quid for a over in your pc or wait for few weeks for cooler card and same price 780 gtx. i know what i d be doing

95C is definitely too hot. If it can run at that that's fine, but I wouldn't want it like that all the time. However, my GTX 480 did that without problem for a long time, and it wasn't as noisy as people made out (but sure did make the room toasty lol.)

I think you are hoping the 780 will get a price drop. Would be awesome if it did and would make the 780 a very good purchase... best cross your fingers.

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:22

There's no hoping needed, the 780 will get a price drop when the TI lands, how big that price drop is can be anyone's guess, they'll monitor sales over the next few weeks and make a decision based on that.

Uncle Petey · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:25

Boomstick777 said:
TTL review sums it up from 23mins.

Even though I'm not a fan of TTL, most of what he says from the 23min mark seems pretty fair to me.
He does go on about aesthetics a little too much, but hey...