AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

teppic · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:26

Boomstick777 said:
Um, no you're just justifying it. Had Nvidia released a 95C GPU, the flaming would have been immense. It's AMD though so 95c is fine, Wonderful in fact.

I feel like I've entered the twilight zone where a new GPU that performs worse than ones that have been out for months, whilst consuming more power and operating at near boiling water temp is ok..

No more posts from me today lol, I'll come back later and hopefully sanity will be restored...

To call everybody (including the majority of reviewers) insane because they disagree with you isn't really helping you make a point...

You're reviewing the card based on its reference cooler. Replace it with a decent cooler and the core temp would be much lower at the same speed, that wouldn't make it suddenly a better GPU.

My CPU by your logic would be fairly awful, as it hits 100C instantly on the stock cooler above 1.25v, while it runs about 60C with a decent one at the exact same voltage/speed.

DeathofRats · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:27

GoogalyMoogaly said:
After discussing with a friend i have to ask, were the people getting 290X cards ever really considering Titans?

Yes it's good it's beaten them, but was the performance really the thing that swayed the decision?

This was always about the 780, not the Titan - nobody takes the titan comparisons seriously, it's just not the same market (irrespective of how close the end performance is).

They've undercut the 780 by a decent margin with something quite similar, with a few more bells and whistles perhaps making the difference in the next couple of months (if mantle actually performs). But an overclocked 780 at a similar price would still get my money AT THE MOMENT.. I'll problly change my mind as soon as non-ref designs or overclockable 290 nonx hit the shelves though

As always, wait one month and something better comes along - at least it will now AMD have finally entered the competition once more!

flopper · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:32

Scougar said:
95C is definitely too hot. If it can run at that that's fine, but I wouldn't want it like that all the time.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040311955&postcount=263

I've been reading through the thread and it has become clear to me that some people don't understand "heat". Temperature is only part of the equation. Having something at 200degrees does not automatically heat up your room faster/more then something at 50degrees. You have to look at power usage (watts) in order to be able to tell which one will dump more heat in the room.

Yes in this case, if you look at max draw in [H]'s review, the 290x has the potential to dump more heat in the room. But that has absolutely nothing to do with running at 95c vs. other cards at lower temperatures.

You could have something which draws 100watt at the wall, running at 300c, and something else sucking up 200w at the wall and measuring in at 30c. The 200w object will heat up your room twice as fast.

~>Dg<~ · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:33

Suarez7 said:
There's no hoping needed, the 780 will get a price drop when the TI lands, how big that price drop is can be anyone's guess, they'll monitor sales over the next few weeks and make a decision based on that.

its obvious nvidia will just match the 290 or drop slightly below then it sells more .

me going green i go whatever i think is best i dont care if its red green or blue magic

Gregster · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:34

Crackfox said:
Any idea of the timeframe for non-reference coolers chaps/chapettes? Anything over a month is just a no go for me.

I am sure I read 6-8 weeks at 5am ish this morning.

Jakus · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:37

uksoldierboy said:
Just curious bud

Ok, I also have an MSI 780 TF gaming and a Titan, I thought you might think I would defend what I own

That's something I would never do and the reason I've wasted money on lots of cards in the past because I don't believe what many others say

mmj_uk · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:38

flopper said:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040311955&postcount=263

Yep that's a good post and is the reason why Bulldozer/Piledriver processors at 60C eject a lot more heat than an Ivy/Haswell running at 90C.

As far as goes 290X goes though it's irrelevant as we know it consumes a **** ton of power, the high temperature is a problem due to noise/throttling etc.

Drizmod · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:39

I don't get it. Why even have reference cooler cards? Why not be able to sell with after market coolers straight away?

Silent_Scone · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:40

Time, demand, Nvidia. Oh and most importantly cost...non ref cards will probably come in at current 780 pricing - which makes it appear less appealing at launch.

Crackfox · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:41

Gregster said:
I am sure I read 6-8 weeks at 5am ish this morning.

Stock 290 for me then if it proves abit cooler/quieter

Thanks Gregster.

imginy · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:46

Boomstick777 said:
I feel like I've entered the twilight zone where a new GPU that performs worse than ones that have been out for months, whilst consuming more power and operating at near boiling water temp is ok..

+1

95c is crazy

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:49

MjFrosty said:
Time, demand, Nvidia. Oh and most importantly cost...non ref cards will probably come in at current 780 pricing - which makes it appear less appealing at launch.

This.

If Asus make a 290x Matrix Platinum it's going to hit £550.

Marine-RX179 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:51

Suarez7 said:
This.

If Asus make a 290x Matrix Platinum it's going to hit £550.

And knowing Nvidia, the chances is that a standard GTX780Ti would cost that, if not more...

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:53

Marine-RX179 said:
And knowing Nvidia, the chances is that a standard GTX780Ti would cost that, if not more...

I'm not denying that, it wasn't the point I was making but... ok.

MooMoo444 · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:55

Honestly the heat isn't a big deal as some people seem to be making out. Very few people buy top of the range enthusiast cards then leave them on stock cooling. Reference boards in particular.

More wattage required isn't ideal, but price : performance is spectacular in all honesty.

Yaayuh! · 24 Oct 2013 at 13:59

Boomstick777 said:
Um, no you're just justifying it. Had Nvidia released a 95C GPU, the flaming would have been immense. It's AMD though so 95c is fine, Wonderful in fact.

The GTX480 took some flack. Hit low 90s

94 here.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2010/03/27/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-1-5gb-review/12

nitram100 · 24 Oct 2013 at 14:01

Way too hot, fast as hell but too hot.

Gregster · 24 Oct 2013 at 14:05

Not to burst peoples bubbles but is it just me or is anyone else thinking that water cooling is a must for these reference 290X's? Those temps alone do put me off (and I know AMD have stated this is within the cards working parameters) but the noise is a no no.

Custom cooled cards for the noise and heat conscious among us and reference for those who don't care about heat and noise because they are water cooling.

Suarez7 · 24 Oct 2013 at 14:06

I'd never buy a reference card from either brand.

flopper · 24 Oct 2013 at 14:06

Gregster said:
Not to burst peoples bubbles but is it just me or is anyone else thinking that water cooling is a must for these reference 290X's? Those temps alone do put me off (and I know AMD have stated this is within the cards working parameters) but the noise is a no no.

Custom cooled cards for the noise and heat conscious among us and reference for those who don't care about heat and noise because they are water cooling.

was about to watercool my current card but I waited for new tech
so either way it was gonna go cold fusion.