AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

Kaapstad · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:36

Marine-RX179 said:
You forgetting one thing though. If those result for the top card Hawaii XT beating Titan is indeed true, it would mean AMD's 2nd card down the Hawaii Pro would be beating the GTX780 at sub £400 price range.

But of course, all the pricing and performance are just guess work/rumors, best wait for NDA get lifted and the dust get settled...

We really need to see a full set of benches and also find out what the overclocking headroom is first.

What springs to mind with only having half the info/rumours is the 4960X fiasco. If we went on the pre launch info, it looked like the 4930/4960 were going to be worthy upgrades. When we saw the actual benches it turned out that most of these new CPUs were poor overclockers compared to SB-E.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:39

Th0nt said:
Just needs a sensible market price now to shake the market and drive some prices down!

This ^^^

Nvidia were very clever with the Titan. They could launch it at a ridiculous price point because it was the fastest card out. This then also paved the way for the price point of the 780.

Looking at what is available AMD may be able to beat or match Titan Performance, and there is no reason why they couldn't beat the 780 on price.

Fingers crossed

LtMatt · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:43

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
This ^^^

Nvidia were very clever with the Titan. They could launch it at a ridiculous price point because it was the fastest card out. This then also paved the way for the price point of the 780.

Looking at what is available AMD may be able to beat or match Titan Performance, and there is no reason why they couldn't beat the 780 on price.

Fingers crossed

AMD have already given an official interview saying it won't be titan priced. So expect it in or around 780 pricing i reckon. £400-£500.

You’re holding a press event in the near future to discuss your next-generation Radeon series, but what can you tell me right now?

“They’re coming in Q4. I can’t reveal a pricepoint but we’re looking at more traditional enthusiast GPU pricepoints. We’re not targeting a $999 single GPU solution like our competition because we believe not a lot of people have that $999. We normally address what we call the ultra-enthusiast segment with a dual-GPU offering like the 7990. So this next-generation line is targeting more of the enthusiast market versus the ultra-enthusiast one.

“It’s also extremely efficient. [Nvidia's Kepler] GK110 is nearly 30% bigger from a die size point of view. We believe we have the best performance for the die size for the enthusiast GPU.

“Another thing I can tell you is about the process node: this GPU is in 28nm. Some have speculated that it was 20nm and it’s not for a specific reason: At 28nm for an enthusiast GPU, we can achieve higher clock speeds and higher absolute performance.”

Source.

Phixsator · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:45

Imagen all that Bitcoin mining power.. DROOOOL!!

mjones1 · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:45

A guy with a decent track record around Hawaii is claiming it will be $650.

LtMatt · 22 Sep 2013 at 09:48

mjones1 said:
A guy with a decent track record around Hawaii is claiming it will be $650.

Source?

SS-89 · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:04

Atm like someone else said it's overclocking headroom that is key. Gk110 are frankly ridiculous. Currently my card is a 51% core overclock over reference 780's. Beating a titan at stock is great but if that has been achieved by maxing out the cores then it is pretty meaningless as the titans can overclock to 1150 with ease and 1200+ with a few more volts.

Marine-RX179 · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:21

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Looking at what is available AMD may be able to beat or match Titan Performance, and there is no reason why they couldn't beat the 780 on price.

How about the simple reason of 7950/7970 being mostly equal to/beating the GTX670/GTX680 after matured driver, and still barely shift as much as the Nvidia cards despite being nearly £100 cheaper plus free games for a long period of time?

ICDP · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:26

SS-89 said:
Atm like someone else said it's overclocking headroom that is key. Gk110 are frankly ridiculous. Currently my card is a 51% core overclock over reference 780's. Beating a titan at stock is great but if that has been achieved by maxing out the cores then it is pretty meaningless as the titans can overclock to 1150 with ease and 1200+ with a few more volts.

I'm going to have to correct your 51% claim, you shouldn't take the base clock as your base figure. Stock reference GTX780s will turbo boost to circa 950Mhz - 1GHz without any power/OC adjustments.

1306 - 1GHz = 306 - Or 30% core clock increase.
1306 - 950 = 356 - Or 37% core clock increase.

Neither figure comes anywhere near the 51% you claim, not to mention any overclock is not linear. My own GTX780 gets 1252 core compared to 1045 stock boost which is ~ 20% overclock yet the performance increase equates to ~13% overall.

Martini1991 · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:28

The 79xx overclocking is quite linear for a while.
Although that's when I was looking into a 7950.
Think it was like upto 1100mhz core it started to drop slightly.

flopper · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:32

Marine-RX179 said:
The things is...we've seen many times before companies using "new product coming soon" strategy/sham to try to stall the sales of competitors' product far too many time...

Yea, and then it takes way longer and things never seems to happen.
except people belive the hype.

RetrogamerX said:
We'll see mat. Don't get too excited just yet. Want to see benches on these new cards. I'll chuckle if their not much faster then what's out now.

you do know that 28nm is the die size here right?
with 5 or so bilion transistors or so.
any advance will be with 20nm die size

SS-89 said:
Atm like someone else said it's overclocking headroom that is key. Gk110 are frankly ridiculous. Currently my card is a 51% core overclock over reference 780's. Beating a titan at stock is great but if that has been achieved by maxing out the cores then it is pretty meaningless as the titans can overclock to 1150 with ease and 1200+ with a few more volts.

As far I know Titans dont OC that well due to Nvidia forced such.
1150mhz is LOL the 780 is no Titan.
Expect the same story happen where the 7970 beats the 770 with ease default and OC and the 290x beats 780 and as it seems if the leaked is to be trusted Titan also OC.

seems the 290x is made for 4K and eyefinity resolutions.
makes most sense really.

Locky · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:37

LtMatt said:

I lol'd

Kaapstad · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:42

flopper said:
As far I know Titans dont OC that well due to Nvidia forced such.
1150mhz is LOL the 780 is no Titan.
Expect the same story happen where the 7970 beats the 770 with ease default and OC and the 290x beats 780 and as it seems if the leaked is to be trusted Titan also OC.

Had my Titan running @1228/1777 (stock bios) doing the dirt 3 bench today.

flopper said:
seems the 290x is made for 4K and eyefinity resolutions.
makes most sense really.

For 4K 4gb of vram is not enough.

flopper · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:43

oh, if amd on a 430mm chip size trade blows with a Titan, on stock default set with early drivers, we are in for a treat price/performance wise.

cjph · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:46

Any idea what size PSU is likely to be needed to drive the new card ?

cj

flopper · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:47

Kaapstad said:
Had my Titan running @1228/1777 (stock bios) doing the dirt 3 bench today.

For 4K 4gb of vram is not enough.

6gb 290x is coming wouldnt suprise me if a 8gb version are produced if the bus allows it technically..
one OC card dont make a serie. many try to OC haswell and not that many if any does 5ghz or close to and many consider Haswell OC ability as meh at best.

flopper · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:49

cjph said:
Any idea what size PSU is likely to be needed to drive the new card ?

cj

yours be fine.
500w I would guess or so recomended.

Kaapstad · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:51

flopper said:
6gb 290x is coming wouldnt suprise me if a 8gb version are produced if the bus allows it technically..
one OC card dont make a serie. many try to OC haswell and not that many if any does 5ghz or close to and many consider Haswell OC ability as meh at best.

Most Titans can get close to 1200mhz.

We will only really know when people start overclocking the 290x what it can do.

Jono8 · 22 Sep 2013 at 10:54

Surprising seeing people think this will be good for 4k gaming? This wont be powerful enough to play next gen games at 4k, it's going to run out of performance before it runs out of vram....

Boomstick777 · 22 Sep 2013 at 11:06

Jono8 said:
Surprising seeing people think this will be good for 4k gaming? This wont be powerful enough to play next gen games at 4k, it's going to run out of performance before it runs out of vram....

Anybody with the money to run a 4K screen won't expect a single GPU to handle it. That type of gamer will likely run 2 or 3 GPU's. These new Hawaii GPU's will obviously be more capable at 4K than the cards that came before them.

Kaapstad said:
Most Titans can get close to 1200mhz.

We will only really know when people start overclocking the 290x what it can do.

Yeah looking forward to seeing how they all do when overclocked.