AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Hedge]

Well with the AMD claims of upto 1.7 the performance of the last gen people were expecting the raster performance to be close to the 4090 in a lot more titles and it is only a couple of outliers where it is close. For the main part the 4090 crushes the 7900xtx and it can barely match the 4080 which has far superior extra features and far superior RT.

I am a potential buyer for a 7900xtx and the question I am asking myself is do i want to deal with the bugs in this new architecture such as the idle power draw etc. I am not going to buy a 4080/4090 because of the PCB shape and power cable but for AMD to get me to upgrade it has to be a good product, RDNA2 was an excellent product and I am happy with my 6800 so why upgrade and potentially get issues.

I guess I just took their marketing figures with a pinch of salt so have found myself feeling pretty neutral about todays reveal.

I always expected performance around a 4080 with worse Ray tracing and that seems to be what's here.

Still see no real reason for me to upgrade my 3060ti just yet. I know people can afford spending over a grand on a gpu but I'm struggling to find a justification myself.

 

[kieran_read]

They managed to boot it higher than Kane!

Over promise and under deliver is an interesting strategy. I imagine there will be a lot of reluctant 4080/90 owners annoyed at AMD for making them wait a month or two for nothing.

Nah the 4080 prices have come down a little in that month so they win either way.

So you saying to get value I need to spend £1600 now , that sounds like from someone that buys that high up

4080 is terrific card for someone coming from 3080 which I have it's the pricing and 4090 doesn't make sense for my use case

TBH I don't see the 7900xtx or 4080 as overpriced for the performance uplift i would personally get from a 10 series, now they are extremly high priced but I would see that performance difference. If i had a 6000 AMD card or a 3000 series Nvidia card though i'd see these as having little value in the uplift i would gain.
All in all i think the one thing this new generation has cemented is to increase the number of people who will start to skip generations rather than buy each new one day one.

I guess I just took their marketing figures with a pinch of salt so have found myself feeling pretty neutral about todays reveal.

I always expected performance around a 4080 with worse Ray tracing and that seems to be what's here.

Still see no real reason for me to upgrade my 3060ti just yet. I know people can afford spending over a grand on a gpu but I'm struggling to find a justification myself.

You played that right by the sounds of it. For me i expected the 7900xt to be around 4080 performance with the 7900xtx being above, the 7900xt at 4080 pef for £200-£300 cheaper would have been a good alternative, I don't think anymore that at 7900xtx is a better deal at £1080 than a 4080 is at £1150.

It's such a shame i planned on having a delayed lunch at work tomorrow to try and pick aup a 7900xtx now ill wait it out for a bit.

 

[Harlequin]

Quite impressed that the suggestion is for a £2000 gpu as `good value`.....

 

[fs123]

This card is DOA already. For someone spending £1000 on a card with no real RT perf and sub-par upscaling, why would anyone choose the 7900XTX over 4080 or even the 4090 for that matter.

- inferior RT
- inferior upscaling
- inferior driver
- inferior tech (other than gaming graphics)
- next to useless for render perf in comparison to Nvidia
- next to useless for AI in comparison to Nvidia

7900XTX finds itself in a strange position where it’s ONLY advantage is pricing against its competition. It’s technologically an inferior product by almost every metric.

So if it is not DOA already I don’t know what is.

AMD fan boys are going to be having a good time spinning this one around the corner.

So you must agree that RT performance of a 3090 is inferior and completely useless since the 7900XTX has the same performance.
Either you are ignorant or simply shilling for Nvidia. I suspect it's the latter.

 

[ICDP]

Nah the 4080 prices have come down a little in that month so they win either way.



TBH I don't see the 7900xtx or 4080 as overpriced for the performance uplift i would personally get from a 10 series, now they are extremly high priced but I would see that performance difference. If i had a 6000 AMD card or a 3000 series Nvidia card though i'd see these as having little value in the uplift i would gain.
All in all i think the one thing this new generation has cemented is to increase the number of people who will start to skip generations rather than buy each new one day one.


You played that right by the sounds of it. For me i expected the 7900xt to be around 4080 performance with the 7900xtx being above, the 7900xt at 4080 pef for £200-£300 cheaper would have been a good alternative, I don't think anymore that at 7900xtx is a better deal at £1080 than a 4080 is at £1150.

It's such a shame i planned on having a delayed lunch at work tomorrow to try and pick aup a 7900xtx now ill wait it out for a bit.

This is where my expectations where but always felt all of them are overpriced. The best I can see is AMD are forced to reduce prices to compete and forces Nvidia to follow suit.

Regardless of the usual Nvidia shills thinking how great it is that AMD missed an open goal, the 4080 has been in stock constantly since release... so is hardly a win for Nvidia. THe 7900 XTX is actually a decent GPU (as is the 4080). We as consumers are looking at mid range GPUs costing well over £1k and the top end costing £1700. We need to see a trend down in prices.

I am finally seeing people simply say no to both Nvidia and AMD and I hope both take notice.

 

[rexehuk]

Personal preference is irrelevant when you are comparing technologies. It is just a metric to be used.

If can play no relevance in your daily usage but to others it will.

Just like 3D marks. Those numbers means nothing as it doesn’t correspond to any given frame rate or guaranteed perf across all game titles.

If you don’t like those metrics then so be it. But these are the metrics things are measured up against one another.

Also it is worth noting that 7900XTX is on par with 4070 (the real 4070) in raster. That is underwhelming. Gen-on-gen is a meek 20% at best. Pretty poor no matter how you look at it.

Chiplets only means good profit for AMD and means no real gain for consumer in perf or prices

You have 9 pages of posts about Nvidia (180 posts)
You have 21 pages of posts about AMD (420 posts)

Just highlighting that... hopefully you're not spreading misinformation on purpose

The benchmarks I've seen show raster meets/beats 4080 or very close. And it's £200 cheaper.

 

[Eddie99]

Nah the 4080 prices have come down a little in that month so they win either way.

Isn't that just the exchange rate improving? Don't think the US MSRP has changed.

 

[kieran_read]

This is where my expectations where but always felt all of them are overpriced.

Oh yeh i'm not saying they're not overpriced i'm comparing the value of 1 product to another, but i do agree they are both overpriced.
I personally would have paid the money as i have skipped 2 generations and needed it. But i'm holding off now.

Isn't that just the exchange rate improving? Don't think the US MSRP has changed.

Nvidia did do an official price cut in Europe, but i do think you're right there. It is surprising either way most of the time people put prices up due to devaluation, but they never normally put then back down when they recover.

 

[nomadd]

I really want AMD to do well and it's disappointing, just having Nvidia controlling stuff hurts the consumer

4080FE has suddenly gone OOS. Seems AMD have disappointed many.

 

[Hedge]

4080FE has suddenly gone OOS. Seems AMD have disappointed many.

You think they are suddenly flying off shelves?

So a product that was crap yesterday is now irresistible?

People have known amd weren't gonna match on RT so they had no intention of buying an AMD card anyway.

 

[ICDP]

You have 9 pages of posts about Nvidia (180 posts)
You have 21 pages of posts about AMD (420 posts)

Just highlighting that... hopefully you're not spreading misinformation on purpose

The benchmarks I've seen show raster meets/beats 4080 or very close. And it's £200 cheaper.

If we are looking at the cheapest vs the cheapest then the 7900 XTX is only £100 cheaper. So if you are a total mug paying over £1k for a 7900 XTX or 4080, you may as well pay the £100 to get 4080 and give you better RT performance.

 

[Raelgun]

4080FE has suddenly gone OOS. Seems AMD have disappointed many.

I don't think so, I think people were seeing if AMD would force Nvidia to do a price drop and they didn't, not like I think Nvidia was intending to since people were gonna buy them anyways.

 

[Calin Banc]

Yup, not what I was expecting in all honesty. So it seems amd with all their smoke and mirrors show/pr slides misleading us

GPU is obviously good in the sense, similar performance to 4080 and cheaper but nowhere near what amd sold us..... And just like the 4080, not worth 1+K

You would have to have your head examined to go for a 7900xtx over a 4080 imo, if nvidia do a price drop now, amd are screwed.

Having said that there are a few titles where the 7900xtx really pulls ahead so who knows maybe we'll get some fine wine, if so, hopefuully we're talking about months and not years here.....

Is actually pretty bad.

4080 is more like a x70 class card, so while last gen they could go head to head with Nvidia's best in raster, now it can only do so with a 3rd tier card. 6800 (3rd tier card) was a little bit better than 3070ti at $579 MSRP. Now same performance tier per tier is $1000, so whatever nVIDIA did AMD followed suit. Of course, AMD is 100% innocent; big bad Nvidia made it do that.

In heavy RT games like CB is 50% behind, FSR is not in the same place as DLSS and power consumption is bad all around.

The only "breakthrough performance" is the under 10% market share.

Right now, if I were to spend silly money on a GPU I would try my luck with a 4090 near MSRP if that ever happens.

 

[Raelgun]

If we are looking at the cheapest vs the cheapest then the 7900 XTX is only £100 cheaper. So if you are a total mug paying over £1k for a 7900 XTX or 4080, you may as well pay the £100 to get 4080 and give you better RT performance.

Point to me what RT game people are playing and buying and give me evidence of these games sales.

 

[Hedge]

If we are looking at the cheapest vs the cheapest then the 7900 XTX is only £100 cheaper. So if you are a total mug paying over £1k for a 7900 XTX or 4080, you may as well pay the £100 to get 4080 and give you better RT performance.

Or pay £100 less for more raster performance if you don't give a crap about RT... Right?..

 

[ProStreet]

All this RT nonsense.. like someone would opt for 60-80fps with RT vs 160-180 without.

 

[vapor matt]

You think they are suddenly flying off shelves?

So a product that was crap yesterday is now irresistible?

People have known amd weren't gonna match on RT so they had no intention of buying an AMD card anyway.

If the 7900XTX was in between the 4090 and 4080 as was expected the hanger's on to see reviews would now know for £120 you can also have very superior RT performance and equal raster, with a lower power draw and power spikes, the 7900XTX does make the 4080 look a lot better than it did as most expected the 7900XTX to be well in front of it in raster.

 

[rexehuk]

All this RT nonsense.. like someone would opt for 60-80fps with RT vs 160-180 without.

Quiet or you'll wake them all.

Remember you need to consider the other benefits of ray tracing

- reduced wallet size
- Increased sexual prowess among your peers
- able to tell people you ray trace
- lights that make you think you're outside due to the immense realism

 

[Shaz12]

So you saying to get value I need to spend £1600 now , that sounds like from someone that buys that high up

4080 is terrific card for someone coming from 3080 which I have it's the pricing and 4090 doesn't make sense for my use case

XTX and 4080 should be around £750 it's plain insulting what both are doing

So that means the lower stacks are gonna be higher so getting even less value

Looking forward buying 5060 for £700+

Both companies inflated their margins in the mining boom and don't want to report a sharp drop. The 4000 series pricing makes sense with nvidia as a significant chunk of their revenues come for gaming and the 4080 is priced as it is to upsell people to the 4090, which is the higher margin product. If people don't have that cash, then they could just buy the last gen GPUs, which nvidia has a boatload of stock of and they would still be happy as their inventory is liquidated.

The AMD pricing doesn't make any sense. They are not as dependent on gaming revenues as nvidia with most coming from consoles. They don't have as much older stock of 6000 series GPUs to liquidate as they never produced that many. Pricing the 7900XTX absurdly like the 4080 doesn't make sense as they have no powerful card to upsell you. The chiplet design is also cheap to make. So why is the 7900XTX just a 4080 without the RT Performance and DLSS for $200 cheaper? If anything, AMD is being as greedy as nvidia.

This is where my expectations where but always felt all of them are overpriced. The best I can see is AMD are forced to reduce prices to compete and forces Nvidia to follow suit.

Regardless of the usual Nvidia shills thinking how great it is that AMD missed an open goal, the 4080 has been in stock constantly since release... so is hardly a win for Nvidia. THe 7900 XTX is actually a decent GPU (as is the 4080). We as consumers are looking at mid range GPUs costing well over £1k and the top end costing £1700. We need to see a trend down in prices.

I am finally seeing people simply say no to both Nvidia and AMD and I hope both take notice.

I thought the 4080 was in stock because all its prospective buyers either bought aa 4090 or were waiting for the 7900XTX to offer near 4090 performance for 4080 pricing. Its sales will definitely pick up now that the cat is out of the bag with AMD.

 

[Woodsta888]

You think they are suddenly flying off shelves?

So a product that was crap yesterday is now irresistible?

People have known amd weren't gonna match on RT so they had no intention of buying an AMD card anyway.

Same happened with 3000 series. Once the 3090 perf was released - 3080's were gold dust. I waited for 3090 results before buying and had to use an alerting app.

Pure raster is still where it's at for most regarding performance. Other technologies are cherries on top. Last gen people were saying the 6900XT was gonna blow the 3090 out of the water - as they knew someone at AMD.

Was expecting more from 7000 series.

Maybe there's a 7990 for this 7000 series - two 7900XTX's on one GPU