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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

humbug said:
You're not sugesting GPU's are the only things that are more expensive?
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Recently AMD's motherboards got more expensive too! But on the bright side, CPU prices went down. Probably due to spectacular sales! :p
0h_no_not_again said:
It has effected everything electronic, however certain markets have seen dramatic drops in demand, so shortage of supply went to surplus quite quickly. That's why you're seeing cheap phones for sale at the moment.

Automotive has been hit really hard, and continues to be hit.

I absolute agree that greed is a factor here though. You have two choices.

1. Make less, restrict supply and charge higher prices. The easy route with great gross margins.
2. Make more, reduce prices. Gain market at the cost of being hard work with supply shortages and increased costs.

NV have confirmed #1. AMD appear to be following suit, although their release was obviously rushed and they obviously had some real technical issues. Maybe supply will ramp up soon... Ha!

The situation sucks for consumers.
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PC components, at least in my part of the world (eastern Europe), remained pretty stable. RAM prices actually went down (DDR4) and a similar kit to mine is less than half what I've paid before Covid. Storage prices are down (SSDs), CPU prices are down (at least for AMD, haven't looked much into Intel), PSUs were harder to get only if you wanted a high power version (1kw+). I was looking at some point into laptops for my father and were plenty of them and decently priced. Right now, 8c/16t, 16gb ram and 512gb ssd are from 500-600 euros and a laptop, I'd guess, has more components in it than a video card... Logitec Z906 bought years ago I think is a little bit cheaper now as well.
Another hobby of mine is photography and prices here remained stable as well with perhaps slight increases here and there and some missing items if you wanted a particular setup.
So yeah, it wasn't all THAT bad, it was pretty much only the GPUs and still is now - they are at scalper prices in stores.

BTW:
780ti $699
980ti $649
1080ti $699
2080ti $999
3090 (and up) $1499 and up
4090 (and probably up) $1599

Once nvidia got the taste of it and people paid easily silly money, it was game, set, match.

Funny thing 6800xt is 520mm sq die size. 7900xtx is 520mm sq. First one was $649, 2nd one is $999.
fury x and nano were $649 (with expensive new tech and water cooled -selected versions )
vega 64 $499 again with expensive memory
radeon vii $699 with even more expensive memory.
6900xt... $999
6950xt... $1099
7900xtx... $999
so yeah, amd got the taste of it as well and people paid easily silly money, it was game, set, match as well, just a lower prices since performance wasn't quite at the same level as competition.
 
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Calin Banc said:
Recently AMD's motherboards got more expensive too! But on the bright side, CPU prices went down. Probably due to spectacular sales! :p


PC components, at least in my part of the world (eastern Europe), remained pretty stable. RAM prices actually went down (DDR4) and a similar kit to mine is less than half what I've paid before Covid. Storage prices are down (SSDs), CPU prices are down (at least for AMD, haven't looked much into Intel), PSUs were harder to get only if you wanted a high power version (1kw+). I was looking at some point into laptops for my father and were plenty of them and decently priced. Right now, 8c/16t, 16gb ram and 512gb ssd are from 500-600 euros and a laptop, I'd guess, has more components in it than a video card... Logitec Z906 bought years ago I think is a little bit cheaper now as well.
Another hobby of mine is photography and prices here remained stable as well with perhaps slight increases here and there and some missing items if you wanted a particular setup.
So yeah, it wasn't all THAT bad, it was pretty much only the GPUs and still is now - they are are scalper prices in stores.
BTW:
780ti $699
980ti $649
1080ti $699
2080ti $999
3090 (and up) $1499 and up
4090 (and probably up) $1599

Once nvidia got the taste of it and people paid easily silly money, it was game, set, match.

Funny thing 6800xt is 520mm sq die size. 7900xtx is 520mm sq. First one was $649, 2nd one is $999.
fury x and nano were $649 (with expensive new tech and water cooled -selected versions )
vega 64 $499 again with expensive memory
radeon vii $699 with even more expensive memory.
6900xt... $999
6950xt... $1099
7900xtx... $999
so yeah, got the taste of it and people paid easily silly money, it was game, set, match as well, just a lower prices since performance wasn't quite at the same level as competition.
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Don't forget that the 6900XT kept pace with the 3090 on the 102 last time around but this time the XTX is only slightly faster than Nvidias 2nd tier die which would have been equivalent to a 3070/ti or 6800 non XT card last gen.

Remember what prices were for 3070s / 6800 during the height of the crypto boom? About £1200 for 3070 and £1000 for a 6800.
 
Mr Evil said:
This one was interesting because it has been estimated that it was sold for no profit, or even at a loss. I remember it was a relatively expensive card at the time, but I was happy to pay for it knowing that I was getting something actually worth that much and not just being milked.
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I don't get what you're saying. You seem to be suggesting that unless you're able to buy at cost, or the vendor is making a loss, then they are taking advantage of you?
 
Joxeon said:
Don't forget that the 6900XT kept pace with the 3090 on the 102 last time around but this time the XTX is only slightly faster than Nvidias 2nd tier die which would have been equivalent to a 3070/ti or 6800 non XT card last gen.

Remember what prices were for 3070s / 6800 during the height of the crypto boom? About £1200 for 3070 and £1000 for a 6800.
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Indeed. I didn't mention crypto bubbles as I don't know if AMD or nVIDIA actually jack up prices towards their partners as well or just that their partners and retailers scalp the prices as they see fit. MSRPs should be a better indicator as they mark the price for which a company is happy to sell their product.

Mr Evil said:
This one was interesting because it has been estimated that it was sold for no profit, or even at a loss. I remember it was a relatively expensive card at the time, but I was happy to pay for it knowing that I was getting something actually worth that much and not just being milked.
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They're looking at it the wrong way.
R&D (which includes the salaries of engineers and everyone involved in the process until the card comes out), was payed already since it was an AI card sold as a gaming card. Or, at the very least, the cost per gaming GPU can be a LOT lower than an average of all numbers sold, since you can can put that cost on the AI cards - they sell for 8-10k as per article, so plenty of room for that). Is the same thing I've mentioned before - the cost of a new arch/series of cards is NOT supported only by the gaming cards, it has its usefulness in other areas as well that can soak up the cost better.

Moreover, 16GB vRAM was (and still is), useless, so a 8GB vRAM variant would have been better and cheaper (same as less than 24GB vRAM with the 7900xt/x). This also comes to show that it wasn't really a gaming card to begin with. As a side note, if they had something like CUDA more widespread, they could have sold the Radeon VII as a Titan type of card, priced higher, for those who used it in productivity tasks.
With this in mind, the cost of the Radeon VII isn't all that bad and it would have been better if it was design from the ground up as a gaming card - with 8GB vRAM. Supply wasn't great as well, after all, why sell it to gamers when you can sell it at 8-10k a pop? Basically, an image stunt.

Don't forget that Vega 56/64, Fury (x)/Nano were still HBM cards sold just as "cheap".
 
Grim5 said:
Today I learned that AdoredTV is easily the worst leaker with the lowest accuracy rate, and MLID is a close 2nd worst

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com www.reddit.com
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The problem with MLID is you can never really pin him down on leaks because he makes a lot of videos on the same subject and in each one he says something different.

Take Intel ARC as an example, he made claims of performance ranging from RTX 3060 to RTX 3070Ti, of course he claims to have been right, it is RTX 3060, but then again the chances of it being RTX 3050 or lower or RTX 3080 or higher was always going to be vanishingly small, it can only really be between an RTX 3060 and an RTX 3070Ti. Anyone could have guessed that because its such a wide range and safely with in what's reasonable.

A 3070Ti is 60% faster than a 3060. Including those two that's 4 SKU's of GPU.
 
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humbug said:
TPU, 4K relative performance.

RTX 4080: 96% $1200
RX 7900XTX 100% $1000
RTX 4090 120% $1600

How much faster would the RX 7900XTX need to be to be worth the $1000 price?
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Comparing it to other poor value products doesn't make it good value though, try comparing it to the $650 msrp 6800XTs $ per frame and then how much it would cost to be a 25% improvement on that.
 
Joxeon said:
Comparing it to other poor value products doesn't make it good value though, try comparing it to the $650 msrp 6800XTs $ per frame and then how much it would cost to be a 25% improvement on that.
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On RDNA3 MLID was out by 10%, he claimed it would be 90% the performance of the 4090, its actually a little over 80%.

Without commenting on the validity of MLID leaks this community largely agreed 90% the performance of a 4090 for 62% of the price would have been great.

Again the difference is 10%, and with that all the heat has once again focused on AMD, Nvidia get away with it. Its poetic.
 
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chris85oc said:
Relative cherry picking and ignoring features sure.
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Point is the price is too high. That's what makes these cards poor.

Not sure what the point of his mental gymnastics. Just comes of as a AMD PR guy. Matt should really be arranging for him to get a free 6800 XT or something for all his hard work here :p
 
The only thing Nvidia regret is not pushing the MSRP of the 4090 to $2000, AMD may yet regret spending $6 Billion on R&D this year.

The 4080 isn't getting a price cut, because as some tech journalists said AMD made it look like good value, Okay...
 
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