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Yes. It’s mainly a price issue with the 4080. The performance gains are there. Just not at 1200. At 900, it’d sell well and not just in a quick burst but ongoing.
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AMD RDNA3 unveiling event
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Yes. It’s mainly a price issue with the 4080. The performance gains are there. Just not at 1200. At 900, it’d sell well and not just in a quick burst but ongoing.
Having had a 4080 FE for the past 5 days I can agree the performance is actually there. Compared to my 3080 it gives a substantial improvement. I bought it used for £900 and at that price it just about made sense.
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It doesn't matter the performance for any of them (nVIDIA or AMD), they are all badly priced as in too high; boycot all of them - btw, the price difference between 4080 and 7900xtx is not that big in retail, you can even get the AMD card at a higher price.
You said in a different post about a point of reference, well, here it is:
7900xtx is about 51% faster than 6800xt as per TPU
6800xt, cheapest at 630 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900xtx, cheapest at 1130 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1at-pc.html
so 51% more performance in general for 79% more money. Is that a good deal? Is that a good direction to encourage?
6800xt, cheapest at 630 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...16gb-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19t-pc.html
7900xt, cheapest at 870 pounds https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1aq-pc.html
27% more performance for 38% more money.
How will the 7800xt fit into this? 10-15% more performance for 20-25% more money?
Is a joke that's what it is. In what world is that a "breakthrough performance" compared to last gen? You can totally ignore nVIDIA here, 7900xt(x) are not that great even compared to their last offerings. But, once they'll stop with 6xxx series it won't matter as there isn't anything else to buy either way, just the "breakthrough performance" option.
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It's down the 750 at my local store, they just did a big price cut to try and clear stock, no one was buying them before
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I liked this little back and forth between framechasers and Linus
Framechasers decided to copy linus' look for a video where he was mocking Linus's 7900xtx video, so Linus made a video with someone wearing the hoodie who can't build a pc and looks awkward exactly like that angry idiot is
Framechasers decided to copy linus' look for a video where he was mocking Linus's 7900xtx video, so Linus made a video with someone wearing the hoodie who can't build a pc and looks awkward exactly like that angry idiot is
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7900XT AIB cards will come down to this level over time, it depends whether you want to wait until April.
For 1,250 I would not settle for anything less than a Tier 1 7900XTX card and we are yet to see those.
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The current 6900XT/6950XT have EOL discounts, they cost 1K+ at first, even more because of the crypto nightmare. They will probably stop making them if they haven’t already. The XTX is replacing the 6900XT at the price it was released at. The XT should be the 7800XT and should have been £650-£700 and most would be ok with it but AMD let greed in.
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Caporegime
What is with this guy? When people start acting like their Youtube thumbnails...
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No Steve you don't know what you are talking about, people expected it to meet AMD's own claims of 50% over a 6950XT, which would still make it slower than a 4090, that was the consensus, accuse people of being extremist by hyperbole to justify the hyperbolic click bait in the video title, that's desprate Steve, pathetic.
Well derp! Considering your previous comment i think this is a you problem rather than expectations.
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But but.... if you we keep holding AMD's current gen pricing to EOL pricing of the previous gen then with in a few generations AMD's GPU's would cost $100.
Hows that for big brain 4D chess....
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The 6950XT is an overclocked 6900X isn't it?
So AMD has introduced another "lower" tier card really?
So AMD has introduced another "lower" tier card really?
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The 7900XTs price point just proves AMD are no better than nvidia by jacking up the 2nd tiers pricing, they might have got away with it had the RDNA 3 performance numbers been stronger with N31 coming in around AD102 but the reality is both cards sit either side of the AD103 and doesn't bode well for whatever we do eventually get as a 7800XT.
It's unfortunate that AMD have decided to put margin above marketshare as there was a lot of disgruntled nvidia customers who would have defected if the pricing was better.
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You can compare the 7900xt/x with 6800xt MSRP and it still provides a worse price/performance ration (as in negative). Or even that is not a fair comparison?But but.... if you we keep holding AMD's current gen pricing to EOL pricing of the previous gen then with in a few generations AMD's GPU's would cost $100.
Hows that for big brain 4D chess....
Probably early February
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What is with this guy? When people start acting like their Youtube thumbnails...
No Steve you don't know what you are talking about, people expected it to meet AMD's own claims of 50% over a 6950XT, which would still make it slower than a 4090, that was the consensus, accuse people of being extremist by hyperbole to justify the hyperbolic click bait in the video title, that's desprate Steve, pathetic.
Well derp! Considering your previous comment i think this is a you problem rather than expectations.
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Steve is spot on
I still think the RTX 4070 could end up with a higher clock rate:
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Maybe it will depend on how good the RX 7800X is?
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Maybe it will depend on how good the RX 7800X is?
Caporegime
The MSRP of the 6800XT was $649, the 7900XTX is $999, its 54% more expensive for 51% more performance, maybe, slightly, it gets worse if you use the 7900XT.
I don't and since review never have made the argument that RDNA3 is good value, it isn't, i would like to see the 7900XTX at $899 and the 7900XT at $749.
That also puts it in to perspective, yes its over priced, but its not that bad and you have people in here trying to make the 4080 good value next to it, even some tech tubers who claim they want to see AMD do well are doing that, they say one thing and then upsell Nvidia......
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Think I read about a possible CES announcement...
Caporegime
On the CPU side to date AMD have always executed on time and delivered what they promised, sometimes even under promised and over delivered.
The Ryzen 7000 was over priced against Intel's CPU's because they have come back strong, but there is talk of Intel reducing core counts again because they are too big and too expensive to make against AMD's, Intel's hope was they would just take back the market share they had lost to AMD, wich didn't happen, both sides are seeing their older cheaper generations outselling the new ones. especially Zen 3 which is still selling far more that anything Intel and certainly Zen 4.
Because CPU's are so fast now they are more than good enough for the vast majority, i still have my 5800X and fell like it has plenty more to give, i wish i had a GPU that it would even notice! TPU used it out of interest along side the 13900K for the 7900XTX review and concluded its still very capable as a gaming chip.
Add to that Ryzen was the fist and are still the only chiplet CPU's, 6 years in mid 2023 and Intel still hasn't come up with their own, the performance of AMD's CPU in the datacentre, where it really matters is so far ahead of Intel its not even funny anymore, Bulldozer Opteron vs Xeon was funny, Zen 3 vs Icelake is shocking and Zen 4..... 32 Zen 4 cores are outperforming 40 Icelake cores in a dual socket configuration, so 80, Zen 4 scales to 192 cores in dual socket and soon 256 cores, Zen 5 will scale to 512 cores in dual socket.
That's not just the power of chiplets, they are also very good cores, AVX512, the thing that was meant to kill AMD is faster and more efficient on AMD.
AMD have gained a very well deserved reputation for their engineering and ability to execute. Intel used to talk a lot about how in datacentre they are reliable while AMD aren't, they don't talk like that anymore...
And so we get to RDNA3, 2 years ago AMD were asked if they would do chiplet GPU's, they said it was extremely difficult for CPU's and exponentially more difficult for GPU's, but they were certainly looking at it.
2 years later they are here.
That really should have been AMD's crowning moment, it is one hell of an achievement and that should be part of the conversation, instead its about AMD lying on graphs and over charging, this is entirely AMD's own fault, they over promised and under delivered.
I don't know what it is about AMD's GPU division but its still not on the same page as their CPU division, if anything good has come of all this i hope its that they realise that the GPU side of their business needs a radical shakeup to get on the same page.
For good will drop the prices AMD.
The Ryzen 7000 was over priced against Intel's CPU's because they have come back strong, but there is talk of Intel reducing core counts again because they are too big and too expensive to make against AMD's, Intel's hope was they would just take back the market share they had lost to AMD, wich didn't happen, both sides are seeing their older cheaper generations outselling the new ones. especially Zen 3 which is still selling far more that anything Intel and certainly Zen 4.
Because CPU's are so fast now they are more than good enough for the vast majority, i still have my 5800X and fell like it has plenty more to give, i wish i had a GPU that it would even notice! TPU used it out of interest along side the 13900K for the 7900XTX review and concluded its still very capable as a gaming chip.
Add to that Ryzen was the fist and are still the only chiplet CPU's, 6 years in mid 2023 and Intel still hasn't come up with their own, the performance of AMD's CPU in the datacentre, where it really matters is so far ahead of Intel its not even funny anymore, Bulldozer Opteron vs Xeon was funny, Zen 3 vs Icelake is shocking and Zen 4..... 32 Zen 4 cores are outperforming 40 Icelake cores in a dual socket configuration, so 80, Zen 4 scales to 192 cores in dual socket and soon 256 cores, Zen 5 will scale to 512 cores in dual socket.
That's not just the power of chiplets, they are also very good cores, AVX512, the thing that was meant to kill AMD is faster and more efficient on AMD.
AMD have gained a very well deserved reputation for their engineering and ability to execute. Intel used to talk a lot about how in datacentre they are reliable while AMD aren't, they don't talk like that anymore...
And so we get to RDNA3, 2 years ago AMD were asked if they would do chiplet GPU's, they said it was extremely difficult for CPU's and exponentially more difficult for GPU's, but they were certainly looking at it.
2 years later they are here.
That really should have been AMD's crowning moment, it is one hell of an achievement and that should be part of the conversation, instead its about AMD lying on graphs and over charging, this is entirely AMD's own fault, they over promised and under delivered.
I don't know what it is about AMD's GPU division but its still not on the same page as their CPU division, if anything good has come of all this i hope its that they realise that the GPU side of their business needs a radical shakeup to get on the same page.
For good will drop the prices AMD.