AMD RDNA3 unveiling event

[Anth-h90]

Nvidia needs to reduce prices too.

I think AMD has released a new tech with this design and there's teething troubles with it, but in the end as usual with AMD it will age very well indeed - and that's when I'll be buying it. Unless Nvidia can sell me a better card for the same price.

Yeah both AMD & Nvidia need to reduce prices by £100-£200 across the board. However if the leaks from China about the upcoming 4070Ti launching at the same MSRP as the cancelled 4080 12gb are true it seems like we won't see any downward movement for a while yet.

 

[Twinz]

I understand that everyone has different goals / budgets / use-cases, but I'm having a hard time envisioning the buyer that wants a 4070Ti at the rumored price point.

DLSS 3 and better ray tracing maybe? It doesn't sound too compelling to me.

 

[humbug]

Yeah both AMD & Nvidia need to reduce prices by £100-£200 across the board. However if the leaks from China about the upcoming 4070Ti launching at the same MSRP as the cancelled 4080 12gb are true it seems like we won't see any downward movement for a while yet.

So $899

For reference the;
3070Ti was $599
3070 was $499
3060Ti was $399
3060 was $329
3050 was $249

I think we can assume the:
4070 for $799
4060Ti for $649
4060 for $549
4050 for $379

This is where Nvidia pricing starts to bite, people arguing the 4080 is good value are being very short sighted, they really are just being Nvidia shills.

 

[humbug]

The rest of AMD's pricing.

7800XT 16GB. $699
7800 16GB. $629
7700XT 12GB $529
7700 10GB $449
7600XT 8GB $399
7600 8GB $349
7500XT 6GB $229
7500 6GB $199
7400 4GB $179

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Have AMD confirmed 7800xt and lower? It just doesnt look like it will scale down very well.
looking at the pricing and performance of the 7900xt/xtx (relative to RDNA2) the rest might just end up being rebadged/repriced RDNA2.
.

 

[humbug]

Have AMD confirmed 7800xt and lower? It just doesnt look like it will scale down very well.
looking at the pricing and performance of the 7900xt/xtx (relative to RDNA2) the rest might just end up being rebadged/repriced RDNA2.
.

They haven't but the assumption or rumour is they will.

Current 7800XT rumour. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800-xt.c3839

It says total die size 350mm, but that's including 4 MCD's at 37mm each, so the GPD is 200mm, its very small, to put that in to perspective an RX 6600XT which is a full size Navi 23 is 237mm.

3840 Shaders, that's only 62.5% of the 7900XTX, that's quite a drop, especially when you consider the 7900XTX is only 35% faster than the 6950XT on average, 51% faster than the 6800XT, its a 60% difference in shaders 7800XT vs 7900XTX.

This is another reason people think something has gone wrong with driver development, AMD didn't just lie on the charts hoping to fool us all, they thought it would end up at between 50% to 70% faster than the 6950XT, RDNA2 performance slides were also published while AMD still had the drivers in development.

 

[humbug]

They haven't but the assumption or rumour is they will.

Current 7800XT rumour. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800-xt.c3839

It says total die size 350mm, but that's including 4 MCD's at 37mm each, so the GPD is 200mm, its very small, to put that in to perspective an RX 6600XT which is a full size Navi 23 is 237mm.

3840 Shaders, that's only 62.5% of the 7900XTX, that's quite a drop, especially when you consider the 7900XTX is only 35% faster than the 6950XT on average, 51% faster than the 6800XT, its a 60% difference in shaders 7800XT vs 7900XTX.

This is another reason people think something has gone wrong with driver development, AMD didn't just lie on the charts hoping to fool us all, they thought it would end up at between 50% to 70% faster than the 6950XT, RDNA2 performance slides were also published while AMD still had the drivers in development.

You can take it from this they have to fix those drivers, or they have to grow the size of Navi 32 and 33, which they really really don't want to do.

 

[Darujhistan]

They haven't but the assumption or rumour is they will.

Current 7800XT rumour. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7800-xt.c3839

It says total die size 350mm, but that's including 4 MCD's at 37mm each, so the GPD is 200mm, its very small, to put that in to perspective an RX 6600XT which is a full size Navi 23 is 237mm.

3840 Shaders, that's only 62.5% of the 7900XTX, that's quite a drop, especially when you consider the 7900XTX is only 35% faster than the 6950XT on average, 51% faster than the 6800XT, its a 60% difference in shaders 7800XT vs 7900XTX.

This is another reason people think something has gone wrong with driver development, AMD didn't just lie on the charts hoping to fool us all, they thought it would end up at between 50% to 70% faster than the 6950XT, RDNA2 performance slides were also published while AMD still had the drivers in development.

Hmmm, I'm really starting to wonder If I'd be better off snaffling a XFX 6800XT Merc 319 for £600 (which is basically 6900xt for FPS anyway) rather than waiting on the 7800XT. If these specs are correct then it's already down to 12GB VRAM, from 16GB on the 6800XT, that doesn't really lead me to believe it's a "like for like" replacement, more like a rebadged 60 card...

 

[humbug]

Hmmm, I'm really starting to wonder If I'd be better off snaffling a XFX 6800XT Merc 319 for £600 (which is basically 6900xt for FPS anyway) rather than waiting on the 7800XT. If these specs are correct then it's already down to 12GB VRAM, from 16GB on the 6800XT, that doesn't really lead me to believe it's a "like for like" replacement, more like a rebadged 60 card...

Each MCD is 64Bit, each IC is 32Bit so with 2GB IC's that's 4GB for each MCD, its how you get to 24GB with 6 MCD's, 4 is 16GB.

 

[Calin Banc]

This is typical for new high end though.

780 vs 680, 780Ti vs 780, 980Ti vs 980 etc were all the same or worse perf/$ when comparing MSRP of the new card to the street price of the old card.

The 1080 was an exception vs 980Ti and the 980 was also an exception vs the 780Ti but there are more gens where the firesale last gen parts are better value propositions than the new parts than vice versa.

The 7900XTX at MSRP is pretty much the same perf/$ as the 6800XT and 6900XT.

Spoiler: images

Ok, fair enough. Where I live the prices are still around MSRP levels or a bit higher for the 6800xt.
Lets look then from MSRP to MSRP point of view.

7900xtx is 54% more expensive than 6800xt while being 51% faster.
7900xt is 38% more expensive than 6800xt while being 27% faster.

So both in the negative, meaning you pay more for less performance than previous gen! aka #breakthroughperformance!

Is still very, very bad. Look at may other post, these (7900xtx and 4080) should have been $500 cards based on previous generation. But hey, people want to shave just $100-$200 to buy them, so it is what it is. Considering the price they sale, probably AMD and nVIDIA should have priced them even higher.

At worst the 7900xt should have actually been a 7800xt for $649 for a mediocre 6800xt replacement - at 27% ... is definitely not stellar! What performance the 7800xt would have now? 10% for the same money? lol worthy.
So yeah, quite bad. Hopefully next gen will bring a 8600 for $500 and a 5050 for $600. People will recommend the 8600 since is providing similar performance in rasterization and considering the inflation, R&D, YoY profits and so on, AMD and nVIDIA couldn't possible sell this any lower. "This is the state of the industry". Yeah, the GPU industry. The Wolf Of Silicon Valley.

 

[Calin Banc]

Hmmm, I'm really starting to wonder If I'd be better off snaffling a XFX 6800XT Merc 319 for £600 (which is basically 6900xt for FPS anyway) rather than waiting on the 7800XT. If these specs are correct then it's already down to 12GB VRAM, from 16GB on the 6800XT, that doesn't really lead me to believe it's a "like for like" replacement, more like a rebadged 60 card...

Considering they want $250 more for 27% more performance or $350 for 51% more performance, yeah, a 6800xt seems more than reasonable at this point if you're not playing the waiting game. You'll be waiting for pretty much "the same card", perhaps priced even higher (I wouldn't be too surprised).

 

[Darujhistan]

Considering they want $250 more for 27% more performance or $350 for 51% more performance, yeah, a 6800xt seems more than reasonable at this point if you're not playing the waiting game. You'll be waiting for pretty much "the same card", perhaps priced even higher (I wouldn't be too surprised).

Yeah, priced higher and with cut-down VRAM.

 

[TNA]

Who cares at this point!

Exactly, it will only be more over priced stuff.

 

[TNA]

So $899

For reference the;
3070Ti was $599
3070 was $499
3060Ti was $399
3060 was $329
3050 was $249

I think we can assume the:
4070 for $799
4060Ti for $649
4060 for $549
4050 for $379

This is where Nvidia pricing starts to bite, people arguing the 4080 is good value are being very short sighted, they really are just being Nvidia shills.

Seriously, who is arguing the 4080 is good value here? It is such an odd comment coming from you as well as you seemingly argue the 7900 XTX is good value and that is terrible value too

 

[Poneros]

Have AMD confirmed 7800xt and lower? It just doesnt look like it will scale down very well.
looking at the pricing and performance of the 7900xt/xtx (relative to RDNA2) the rest might just end up being rebadged/repriced RDNA2.
.

Yeah, since below 7800/XT they will be using a monolithic chip it's basically going to look like RDNA 2.5

 

[TNA]

Have AMD confirmed 7800xt and lower? It just doesnt look like it will scale down very well.
looking at the pricing and performance of the 7900xt/xtx (relative to RDNA2) the rest might just end up being rebadged/repriced RDNA2.
.

That would be hilarious if the 7800 XT ends up being a rebaged 6900 XT

I doubt it though to be honest.

 

[Calin Banc]

Yeah, priced higher and with cut-down VRAM.

If an avalanche of new, high demanding vRAM games comes to be, then it could be a problem. Otherwise, 12GB or 14GB, would be plenty for its performance. 16GB for 6800xt/69xx or 24GB for 7900xt/x is overkill and wasted money.

 

[kjaerligkatt]

Ok, fair enough. Where I live the prices are still around MSRP levels or a bit higher for the 6800xt.
Lets look then from MSRP to MSRP point of view.

7900xtx is 54% more expensive than 6800xt while being 51% faster.
7900xt is 38% more expensive than 6800xt while being 27% faster.

So both in the negative, meaning you pay more for less performance than previous gen! aka #breakthroughperformance!

Is still very, very bad. Look at may other post, these (7900xtx and 4080) should have been $500 cards based on previous generation. But hey, people want to shave just $100-$200 to buy them, so it is what it is. Considering the price they sale, probably AMD and nVIDIA should have priced them even higher.

OK, I get that people would like to have more for less, and we’ve had decades of each generation giving more for less, but that doesn’t hold for many products right now. We’re seeing it with cars, premium hifi (maybe all - I’ve not looked), groceries, etc.

Added to that, when comparing these, most (if not all) have more VRAM.

So yes, I’d really like to see the same equation as in previous years, but is it realistic to expect it? Only if you’ve been living in a bubble for the past 2 years …

 

[Combat Fighter]

Over 500 watts with OC for 8% gain over reference card. And a £300 premium.

Lovely looking card, massively overpriced for what it offers.

 

[delta0]

Over 500 watts with OC for 8% gain over reference card. And a £300 premium.

I bet @LtMatt gets way more than 8% out of it with 500W